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Dan15812

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444007 has barely been touched at Bournemouth.
450021 was having the final flourishes on Friday.
 
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Goldfish62

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Now that the internal refurbishments have finished and eight 442s are due in service from tomorrow I would expect the repaint programme to ramp up significantly.
 

Bigfoot

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I think they will let the 442 waters settle just to make sure things aren't going to go wrong before ramping up. A couple of weeks delay won't make much difference in the grand scheme of the current large repaint delay.
 

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Does anyone have the in/out of works dates for the last batch?

Here are the dates for the Class 450/5 units
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450563 (unit 101) in 31-10-19, out 11-11-19
450553 (unit 102) in 02-11-19, out 09-11-19
450562 (unit 103) in 09-11-19, out 13-11-19
450561 (unit 104) in 11-11-19, out 15-11-19
450557 (unit 105) in 13-11-19, out 18-11-19
450558 (unit 106) in 15-11-19, out 19-11-19
450566 (unit 107) in 18-11-19, out 22-11-19
450565 (unit 108) in 19-11-19, out 23-11-19
450570 (unit 109) in 22-11-19, out 26-11-19
450568 (unit 110) in 23-11-19, out 27-11-19
450552 (unit 111) in 26-11-19, out 30-11-19
450544 (unit 112) in 27-11-19, out 01-12-19
450567 (unit 113) in 27-11-19, out 02-12-19
450564 (unit 114) in 30-11-19, out 04-12-19
450559 (unit 115) in 01-12-19, out 05-12-19
450551 (unit 116) in 02-12-19, out 08-12-19
450549 (unit 117) in 04-12-19, out 09-12-19
450569 (unit 118) in 05-12-19, out 08-12-19
450555 (unit 119) in 08-12-19, out 13-12-19
450554 (unit 120) in 08-12-19, out 13-12-19
450550 (unit 121) in 09-12-19, out 13-12-19
450547 (unit 122) in 13-12-19, out 16-12-19
450546 (unit 123) in 13-12-19, out 17-12-19
450556 (unit 124) in 13-12-19, out 17-12-19
450548 (unit 125) in 16-12-19, out 19-12-19
450560 (unit 126) in 17-12-19, out 20-12-19
450545 (unit 127) in 17-12-19, on hand
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Here are the dates for the Class 450/5 units
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450563 (unit 101) in 31-10-19, out 11-11-19
450553 (unit 102) in 02-11-19, out 09-11-19
450562 (unit 103) in 09-11-19, out 13-11-19
450561 (unit 104) in 11-11-19, out 15-11-19
450557 (unit 105) in 13-11-19, out 18-11-19
450558 (unit 106) in 15-11-19, out 19-11-19
450566 (unit 107) in 18-11-19, out 22-11-19
450565 (unit 108) in 19-11-19, out 23-11-19
450570 (unit 109) in 22-11-19, out 26-11-19
450568 (unit 110) in 23-11-19, out 27-11-19
450552 (unit 111) in 26-11-19, out 30-11-19
450544 (unit 112) in 27-11-19, out 01-12-19
450567 (unit 113) in 27-11-19, out 02-12-19
450564 (unit 114) in 30-11-19, out 04-12-19
450559 (unit 115) in 01-12-19, out 05-12-19
450551 (unit 116) in 02-12-19, out 08-12-19
450549 (unit 117) in 04-12-19, out 09-12-19
450569 (unit 118) in 05-12-19, out 08-12-19
450555 (unit 119) in 08-12-19, out 13-12-19
450554 (unit 120) in 08-12-19, out 13-12-19
450550 (unit 121) in 09-12-19, out 13-12-19
450547 (unit 122) in 13-12-19, out 16-12-19
450546 (unit 123) in 13-12-19, out 17-12-19
450556 (unit 124) in 13-12-19, out 17-12-19
450548 (unit 125) in 16-12-19, out 19-12-19
450560 (unit 126) in 17-12-19, out 20-12-19
450545 (unit 127) in 17-12-19, on hand
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Ta muchly! I assume 545 is out by now?
 

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They should have ditched the orange grab rails though, it still reminds me of Stagecoach SWT !

yellow would look much better!
 

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450036 was out yesterday, I have to say the paint job on the newly painted sets looks much better than the vinyl on 450111.
 

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http://www.railtechnologymagazine.c...AmnErYYJhFyCzxm96kBHtRH0UPs_f3Kwwcf2QUki7-pa8
South Western Railway (SWR) has completed the £70m refurbishment of Desiro trains as final train enters passenger service.
The rail operators’ £70m upgrade programme started in December 2017 and has seen the modernisation of all 172 Class 444 and 450 trains.
The restoration of the fleet supports ongoing measures to improve onboard experience for customers travelling long-distance between London Waterloo, Weymouth, Poole and Portsmouth stations.
The final train, a Class 450, joined the existing Desiro fleet last week (Jan 9) offering better interiors, cutting edge features, better Wi-Fi, charging tables and power socks, refreshed toilets and ergonomically designed seats for a more comfortable journey.
The refurbishment, completed by the train’s original manufacturer, Siemens, brings 1,305 additional seats to SWR’s standard class as well as trains fit for the future.
 

swt_passenger

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That number (1305) for additional standard class seats is suspiciously low. There’s 127 450s and 45 444s involved, that suggests an average increase of less than 8 per train.

I suspect 1305 is the 444s only - they were originally due for an increase of 33 each, but that was slightly reduced in the end...

Going by the numbers in the franchise agreement, there should be about another 3600 across the 127 x 450s, the 450/5s alone got over 40 seats each...

Franchise agreement numbers are here:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/swr-repaints-and-refurbishments.152252/page-68#post-4032995
 
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pompeyfan

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That number (1305) for additional standard class seats is suspiciously low. There’s 127 450s and 45 444s involved, that suggests an average increase of less than 8 per train.

I suspect 1305 is the 444s only - they were originally due for an increase of 33 each, but that was slightly reduced in the end...

Going by the numbers in the franchise agreement, there should be about another 3600 across the 127 x 450s, the 450/5s alone got over 40 seats each...

Franchise agreement numbers are here:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/swr-repaints-and-refurbishments.152252/page-68#post-4032995

Sorry to be pedantic, but with the 2 tip up seats being installed into each of the bike spaces, does that not technically give you the 4 seats that would have gone round a table opposite a small loo?
 

swt_passenger

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Sorry to be pedantic, but with the 2 tip up seats being installed into each of the bike spaces, does that not technically give you the 4 seats that would have gone round a table opposite a small loo?
I’m not sure what the final decision was about the 444 bike spaces to be honest, I haven’t been keeping track. When we discussed it a couple of times previously I thought some trains were not done, but I probably missed a finalised proposal.

But the main thing is that the reported total figure in RTM seems way off if applied to both classes as written.
 

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I suspect 1305 is the 444s only - they were originally due for an increase of 33 each, but that was slightly reduced in the end...

Not sure how that figure has came to be. Each 444 has gained 34 seats, with 45 units, making the 444s a gain of 1,530 seats. Already higher than the quoted figure.

34 seats includes the four seats now in the bike areas.
 

swt_passenger

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Not sure how that figure has came to be. Each 444 has gained 34 seats, with 45 units, making the 444s a gain of 1,530 seats. Already higher than the quoted figure.

34 seats includes the four seats now in the bike areas.
1305/45 is 29. I think that might reflect the franchise spec number (33) less the bike space. So the magazine may have just used duff info about the 444 from some earlier some transitional stage.
 

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I'm on a 450 and I can't see any bins
The ex 450/5s have not had the bins removed when they originally became high density units reinstated. That means they only have bins between the back to back seats, and not by the doors.
 

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