Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

Chris217 · 16 Jan 2020

Nice photos and video chaps.

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Pyreneenguy · 16 Jan 2020

Welcome to Merseyside....................laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !

Thanks for your photos and videos guys.

FrodshamJnct · 16 Jan 2020

M28361M said:
It's on the move again, just left the siding and into Crewe platform 11 as booked. Looking at RTT, it looks like another loco has come from Tuebrook sidings to attach to the train - presumably it will be top&tailed the rest of the way to Kirkdale? Would make sense with the two reversals to do.

Yep 66744 went on the other end.

stuart100100 · 16 Jan 2020

No sign of it in Kirkdale going past this morning. Must be in the shed

DJH1971 · 16 Jan 2020

stuart100100 said:
No sign of it in Kirkdale going past this morning. Must be in the shed

The most likely scenario.

They will need to check it over first after all.

stuart100100 · 16 Jan 2020

Video on twitter from merseytravel in the depot

Check out this short time lapse of 777003 arriving at Kirkdale Depot last night/this morning Did you spot the train making its Liverpool City Region debut? #itscoming #newtrains2020 https://t.co/cet9wRrfNt

Chris217 · 16 Jan 2020

I bet it will be best part of the year before we see this turn a wheel in service!
Have any other units been completed yet?

507 001 · 16 Jan 2020

stuart100100 said:
Video on twitter from merseytravel in the depot

Check out this short time lapse of 777003 arriving at Kirkdale Depot last night/this morning Did you spot the train making its Liverpool City Region debut? #itscoming #newtrains2020 https://t.co/cet9wRrfNt

I hate that we’ve suddenly become ‘Liverpool City Region’.
What exactly was wrong with Merseyside?!

390112A · 16 Jan 2020

Has anyone else noticed that the three units have different liveries. On 777001 the drivers door is solid yellow and on 777002/003 the door is slashed in half yellow and black?
Why ? Is this a mix up ? Or something to do with testing ?

Goldfish62 · 16 Jan 2020

507 001 said:
I hate that we’ve suddenly become ‘Liverpool City Region’.
What exactly was wrong with Merseyside?!

They are slightly different areas. Don't ask me to recall the difference from memory, but there is one.

Meerkat · 16 Jan 2020

I don’t like the all black fronts - seems an odd choice for an underground train.

On delivery is the unit unbraked, with that pipe going all the way through and out to the barrier vehicle at the other end?

ivzem · 16 Jan 2020

Chris217 said:
Have any other units been completed yet?

AFAICT from David Powell's Twitter at least 777001-004 are all complete.

390112A said:
Has anyone else noticed that the three units have different liveries. On 777001 the drivers door is solid yellow and on 777002/003 the door is slashed in half yellow and black?
Why ? Is this a mix up ? Or something to do with testing ?

On the first CGI images the driver's door also has the slash through it, but the mockup has the solid yellow door. Might have just been cheaper to do, or a late design change that was then reverted again.

David Edwards · 16 Jan 2020

507 001 said:
I hate that we’ve suddenly become ‘Liverpool City Region’.
What exactly was wrong with Merseyside?!

It implies both sides of the river!

stuart100100 · 16 Jan 2020

Goldfish62 said:
They are slightly different areas. Don't ask me to recall the difference from memory, but there is one.

Halton is part of the city region and in Cheshire not Merseyside

Sbahn4 · 16 Jan 2020

What is the purpose of the sticky out thing that runs along the train?

73001 · 16 Jan 2020

Meerkat said:
I don’t like the all black fronts - seems an odd choice for an underground train.

On delivery is the unit unbraked, with that pipe going all the way through and out to the barrier vehicle at the other end?

Surely if it's dark it doesn't matter what colour the front is

... and yes, the barrier vehicles are braked with the pipe carrying the supply. You see it sometimes when scrap locomotives are moved by rail.

Domh245 · 16 Jan 2020

Sbahn4 said:
What is the purpose of the sticky out thing that runs along the train?

Fills the gap between the side of the train and the platform, especially as these are quite narrow (comparatively) at platform level. Essentially a way to mitigate against a repeat of the James Street incident where someone fell between the train and platform edge.

73001 · 16 Jan 2020

Sbahn4 said:
What is the purpose of the sticky out thing that runs along the train?

I think it's to provide a bit of width to stop anything going down between the train and the platform edge. Anyone falling down the side of the train will be pushed outwards as they get to the bottom.

507 001 · 16 Jan 2020

David Edwards said:
It implies both sides of the river!

Last time I checked, these trains were for both sides of the river

Meerkat · 16 Jan 2020

73001 said:
Surely if it's dark it doesn't matter what colour the front is

I have previously read (in a discussion about whether cars should have lights on in daytime) that bright lights make distance perception difficult.

Sbahn4 · 16 Jan 2020

73001 said:
I think it's to provide a bit of width to stop anything going down between the train and the platform edge. Anyone falling down the side of the train will be pushed outwards as they get to the bottom.

So they will be at platform level?

The_Train · 16 Jan 2020

73001 said:
Surely if it's dark it doesn't matter what colour the front is

And if you happen to be caught wandering in the tunnel by an oncoming train, I think the colour of the front is the least of your problems

Sbahn4 · 16 Jan 2020

The_Train said:
And if you happen to be caught wandering in the tunnel by an oncoming train, I think the colour of the front is the least of your problems

Likely whatever colour it is, will change.

Domh245 · 16 Jan 2020

Sbahn4 said:
So they will be at platform level?

They're a little bit above platform level (pic of mockup)

transmanche · 16 Jan 2020

507 001 said:
I hate that we’ve suddenly become ‘Liverpool City Region’.
What exactly was wrong with Merseyside?!

stuart100100 said:
Halton is part of the city region and in Cheshire not Merseyside

The government planned to call the Combined Authority the Greater Merseyside Combined Authority because - as @stuart100100 says - it covers an area that is larger than the county of Merseyside.

But during the government's consultation stage, the vast majority of respondents requested a change to the name. They "were strongly in support of a name for the combined authority that included the word 'Liverpool', rather than 'Merseyside', in order to capitalise and build upon Liverpool's global 'brand'".

Source: Department for Communities and Local Government

Sbahn4 · 16 Jan 2020

Domh245 said:
They're a little bit above platform level (pic of mockup)

What a bizarre feature. Yes it should stop an adult falling there. But not every thing.

73001 · 16 Jan 2020

Sbahn4 said:
What a bizarre feature. Yes it should stop an adult falling there. But not every thing.

...but you'd have a job even deliberately trying to get something down the gap. If it saves just one life over 40 years it's surely worth it.

transmanche · 16 Jan 2020

Sbahn4 said:
What a bizarre feature. Yes it should stop an adult falling there. But not every thing.

It's not designed to stop "every thing". And I don't see it as a "bizarre feature".

Following the fatality at James Street in 2011, the RAIB report recommended action - including the possible use of bodyside panels - to "reduce the likelihood of falls through the platform edge gap":

Merseyrail, in consultation with Merseytravel, Network Rail and other relevant industry bodies, should evaluate equipment and methods that reduce the likelihood of a person falling through the platform edge gap. Platform edge gap fillers and vehicle body side panels should be included in the evaluation, the outcome of which should be a plan to implement measures when appropriate to do so, for example when trains or the infrastructure are changed, improved or replaced.

Speaking to Rail magazine in February 2017, Merseytravel's Rolling Stock Project Director David Powell said:

One of the recommendations was reducing the gap between the train and the platform, which is obviously the doorways but also between the doorways. One of the interventions we’ve therefore made is the profile we have in the lower part of the new body sides. It takes the gap, which can currently be over half a metre diagonally or sometimes even horizontally, and makes it much tighter and more vertical so the risks of anyone going into that gap are significantly reduced. Also, with that profile we think that if you did fall in that gap, you would be deflected back into the platform.

L401CJF · 16 Jan 2020

73001 said:
...but you'd have a job even deliberately trying to get something down the gap. If it saves just one life over 40 years it's surely worth it.

A 40 year lifespan for these trains sounds quite ambitious! Lets wait and see shall we

Fawkes Cat · 17 Jan 2020

L401CJF said:
A 40 year lifespan for these trains sounds quite ambitious! Lets wait and see shall we

Per Wikipedia, the 507/508s have done forty years: the preceding 503s that they replaced did forty years: and the Mersey Railway electric trains that the 503s replaced did over fifty years.

The evidence would seem to say that 777s should do forty years.

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