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More issues for me at Manchester Victoria!

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Yesterday travelled with a ticket in 2 parts; 1st part Bolton > London terminals and the second part had the actual journeys - Bolton 1154 - Manchester Piccadilly followed by Piccadilly - London, 1235 train specific.
As I got to Bolton I saw that the 1154 was severely delayed (eventually cancelled) so got an earlier train to Victoria with the intention of crossing to Picc using the metro.
Naturally the gates at Victoria refused to accept either paper ticket, thankfully the gateman looked at both and saw it was Bolton - London and let me through.
I assume that my slight change of journey was perfectly valid despite what the ticket actually had written on it?
 
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transmanche said:
Was it an Anytime, Off-Peak, or Advance ticket?
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The Bolton - Manchester part was standard, the Manchester - London advance train specific - the whole ticket bought in one go (ie not two seperate bookings). Even so, the former still had a timed train BON - PICC on it which could be why it was rejected.
 
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If I understand your posting of 1329, you had

- a single (or maybe a return) ticket from Bolton to Manchester, and
- an advance ticket from Manchester to London

If that's the case, then Bolton - Manchester tickets appear (per BRFares.com) to be issued to Manchester CTLZ, which I think includes both Victoria and Piccadilly. So there's no problem. However, if what you had was

- an advance ticket from Bolton to London, with a specified seat reserved from Piccadilly to Euston

then it seems to me that strictly you may have been in the wrong actually it doesn't make any difference: I can't find any advance tickets between Bolton and Manchester, which would suggest that the trains on that route don't do counted place reservations - so in practice you were free to use any train from Bolton to either Manchester station as long as it connected with your London train.
 
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Gates usually don’t work at Victoria with Northern connection tickets to London. Perfectly valid and no issue at all. Do it quite often myself from further up the line to Preston.
 
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Fawkes Cat said:
If I understand your posting of 1329, you had

- a single (or maybe a return) ticket from Bolton to Manchester, and
- an advance ticket from Manchester to London

If that's the case, then Bolton - Manchester tickets appear (per BRFares.com) to be issued to Manchester CTLZ, which I think includes both Victoria and Piccadilly. So there's no problem. However, if what you had was

- an advance ticket from Bolton to London, with a specified seat reserved from Piccadilly to Euston

then it seems to me that strictly you may have been in the wrong actually it doesn't make any difference: I can't find any advance tickets between Bolton and Manchester, which would suggest that the trains on that route don't do counted place reservations - so in practice you were free to use any train from Bolton to either Manchester station as long as it connected with your London train.
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One through ticket, and one reservation coupon is what seems to be described: “The second part had the actual journeys.”
IMHO it will just come down to break of journey not being programmed at the barrier. The gates would never accept the reservation coupon anyway as suggested in the OP.
 
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In my experience the gates at Victoria don't work with any cross Manchester ticket.
 
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Howardh said:
The Bolton - Manchester part was standard, the Manchester - London advance train specific - the whole ticket bought in one go (ie not two seperate bookings). Even so, the former still had a timed train BON - PICC on it which could be why it was rejected.
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Just to clarify, was the whole ticket an advance from Bolton to London?
 
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Trackman said:
Just to clarify, was the whole ticket an advance from Bolton to London?
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No answer, so let's assume it is.
I do a similar journey from Bolton and here's my take on it.
They changed the advance ticket a while back, now all legs are printed on the reservation coupon (even if there is no reserved seat).
The main thing is what is now printed on the main ticket, it is something like 'Only valid on specific services and connections'.
In my eyes then, the OP's ticket was not valid on the earlier train.
I use split ticketing now (and save money, which I didn't think I could!) as it effectively stops a long BOJ at Euston plus I can pick the route I.
 
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Trackman said:
They changed the advance ticket a while back, now all legs are printed on the reservation coupon (even if there is no reserved seat).
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That's not quite true. What happened is that Northern made most or all of their services "reservable" (for counted places), it still doesn't print non-reservable services. That does have the same effect as you propose, though - you must use the train on the ticket.
 
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Bletchleyite said:
What happened is that Northern made most or all of their services "reservable" (for counted places),
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Have they done this for Bolton - Manchester services? When I tried to answer the question, I had a fairly cursory look (I think I looked on the Northern website for Bolton to Manchester tickets a week ahead, and also, since at least some of them go through Bolton, for Southport to Manchester tickets a week ahead) and didn't spot any Advance tickets being offered. Hence my conclusion that (a) Advances aren't offered on that route and so (b) that the trains are unreservable. But I appreciate that this is based on pretty thin evidence and that the logic may not be sound.
 
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Have they done this for Bolton - Manchester services? When I tried to answer the question, I had a fairly cursory look (I think I looked on the Northern website for Bolton to Manchester tickets a week ahead, and also, since at least some of them go through Bolton, for Southport to Manchester tickets a week ahead) and didn't spot any Advance tickets being offered. Hence my conclusion that (a) Advances aren't offered on that route and so (b) that the trains are unreservable. But I appreciate that this is based on pretty thin evidence and that the logic may not be sound.
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Mostly not, it appears, though the 17xx Barrow runs via Bolton and is reservable, and there are likely others. You can check on the detailed view on RTT, or just look for the diamond symbol on the national timetable PDFs.

Perhaps the OP could post a photo of their ticket?
 
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