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Class 745 Stadler FLIRTs

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samuelmorris

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Another unit at Liverpool Street, 010 maybe?

How far behind are the other units? I gather there are several in storage that were accepted for service but presumably need more trained drivers?
 
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I’ve just hit my head on the luggage shelf while sitting down in one of the raised areas. Ouch!

You won't be alone. I had a chat with the train manager on 745007's first day in service and he foresaw then that the luggage racks in raised areas would cause repeated skull-shelf interface issues.

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Actually green for passcom and red for emergency brake is about as close to a standard as it gets. CAF have followed the same.
Are any trains built with directly operated emergency brakes these days? My observation has always been red for passcom/alarm/brake as fitted and green for emergency egress.

At least the very similar looking flush button doesn’t get hidden behind a raised lid as on some units. I predict a fair few false alarms all the same.

The WiFi is good though.
 

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Another unit at Liverpool Street, 010 maybe?

How far behind are the other units? I gather there are several in storage that were accepted for service but presumably need more trained drivers?
Plenty of trained drivers especially on the North of the route. More down to mileage accumulation, commissioning & acceptance.
 

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Have to say, so far the 745 trips have been 100%, seems there are no issues at all in running, lets hope this means others can roll out quite quickly, understand 010 is out again on test next week, and is it just me or are the 755's now a bit more stable ?
 

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Another unit at Liverpool Street, 010 maybe?

How far behind are the other units? I gather there are several in storage that were accepted for service but presumably need more trained drivers?

Still only 007 accepted for service as of yesterday.
 

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With the delay to the introduction of the class 745s , are there still loco hauled services operating out of liverpool street?
 

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Are any trains built with directly operated emergency brakes these days? My observation has always been red for passcom/alarm/brake as fitted and green for emergency egress.

At least the very similar looking flush button doesn’t get hidden behind a raised lid as on some units. I predict a fair few false alarms all the same.

The WiFi is good though.

Unless the TSI are going to be brexited you’ll see only green devices for alarm/SOS/etc. The idea should be that green suggests a safe condition, according to the related ISO standard. Not sure it’s the best choice though.
 

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Are any trains built with directly operated emergency brakes these days?

It depends what you mean by "directly operated". It doesn't dump the brake pipe, but it does (presumably overrideable by the driver e.g. in case you're on fire in a tunnel) put the brakes on without a chat first, same as the red handle on say Class 15x stock.

It's normal European practice to have it split in this way, it may even be a UIC standard. Certainly all German stock does.

It does make a fair bit of sense - use the red for something wrong with the train that needs it to stop now, e.g. a derailment, tree through the window, fire or something, use the green if, say, a passenger is assaulting other passengers, as there's not a lot to be gained by stopping the train at all in such a case, it's better to call BTP to meet the train at a station (possibly not even the next one).
 

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Rare (winter) weekend on the GEML without any engineering work this weekend, any idea if the 745 will be out?
 

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It depends what you mean by "directly operated". It doesn't dump the brake pipe, but it does (presumably overrideable by the driver e.g. in case you're on fire in a tunnel) put the brakes on without a chat first, same as the red handle on say Class 15x stock.

It's normal European practice to have it split in this way, it may even be a UIC standard. Certainly all German stock does.

It does make a fair bit of sense - use the red for something wrong with the train that needs it to stop now, e.g. a derailment, tree through the window, fire or something, use the green if, say, a passenger is assaulting other passengers, as there's not a lot to be gained by stopping the train at all in such a case, it's better to call BTP to meet the train at a station (possibly not even the next one).
Wouldn't yellow for caution be more appropriate?
 

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Wouldn't yellow for caution be more appropriate?
Wouldn't be to the standard though.
At least there is now a standard, it can get confusing when things aren't consistent. I used to work in a factory, all the pumps and motors had illuminated start and stop buttons. Red meant stopped, green meant running.
We then bought a specialist machine from Germany. Caused loads of confusion as it just wouldn't work. Eventually someone RTFM and discovered that, in German factory equipment, red means "danger" ie running and green means "safe" ie stopped. Still used to catch people out after several years.
 
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The TSI says:


5.3.2.6. Interface of the call for aid device

A call for aid device shall:

(1)be indicated by a sign having a green or yellow background (according to the specification referenced in appendix A, index 10 [which refers to an ISO standard]) and a white symbol, representing a bell or a telephone; the sign can be on the button or bezel or on a separate pictogram;

(2)include tactile symbols;

(3)emit a visual and audible indication to the user that it has been operated;

(4)provide additional operating information if necessary;

(5)be operable by the palm of a person's hand and not require a force exceeding 30 N to operate.
 

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It depends what you mean by "directly operated". It doesn't dump the brake pipe, but it does (presumably overrideable by the driver e.g. in case you're on fire in a tunnel) put the brakes on without a chat first, same as the red handle on say Class 15x stock.

It's normal European practice to have it split in this way, it may even be a UIC standard. Certainly all German stock does..
German-language wikipedia suggests that all new Regional trains in Germany have a newer system (NBÜ 2004): driver gets alerted, driver can respond with override or an emergency braking - and if the driver doesn't respond in time there's an automatic emergency braking. (: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notbremsüberbrückung ) I've been told all the new trains in Switzerland follow a similar design (but there are some further details, e.g. at low speeds and/or shortly after departure, the system triggers an immediate braking).

And there is indeed an UIC standard - UIC 541-5, but that's only for the old system you describe - not the newer system that it seems most new trains would be using.
 

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I have no idea which standard it is, but all new trains in the Netherlands have it too and it is, as far as I know, a mandatory system now.
 

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Have all the 745/0s now been accepted into service, and if not, which ones are still outstanding for acceptance? And if it were possible to advise which units (if any) have been accepted into service so far this year that would be most appreciated. Many thanks.
 

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Have all the 745/0s now been accepted into service, and if not, which ones are still outstanding for acceptance? And if it were possible to advise which units (if any) have been accepted into service so far this year that would be most appreciated. Many thanks.
Only 745007 has been accepted so far.
 

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Only one has been accepted into and is in service at the moment, 745007 which is currently running the weekday diagram starting at 07:40, 12:30, 17:30 from Norwich.

This started on Wednesday 8th January and was supposed to be one new train into service every week, so next one should be any day now...
 

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Only one has been accepted into and is in service at the moment, 745007 which is currently running the weekday diagram starting at 07:40, 12:30, 17:30 from Norwich.

This started on Wednesday 8th January and was supposed to be one new train into service every week, so next one should be any day now...
Which year?
 

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745007 to london, impressed is the best description, a massive improvement on the Mk3's just need these in service fast.

Stadler tech riding on board in first the whole way so clearly being closely watched.

Only issue I can see is luggage space, folks not using the racks and bags in the aisle all over, even saw someone fall over them.

Ride does seem a little less forgiving but need to try a few different seat locations to see if this common.

Hoping GA can keep to one a week but I think they are one behind in that plan already.

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745007 to london, impressed is the best description, a massive improvement on the Mk3's just need these in service fast.

Stadler tech riding on board in first the whole way so clearly being closely watched.

Only issue I can see is luggage space, folks not using the racks and bags in the aisle all over, even saw someone fall over them.

which doesnt fill me with much hope the cycling spaces will be kept clear of luggage
 

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Only one has been accepted into and is in service at the moment, 745007 which is currently running the weekday diagram starting at 07:40, 12:30, 17:30 from Norwich.

This started on Wednesday 8th January and was supposed to be one new train into service every week, so next one should be any day now...
Another forum is reporting the second 745 coming into service tomorrow.
 
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