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Trivia: Less obvious stations on a through route where passenger services terminate/start
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Looking at the Aberdeen - Inverness timetable, two obvious stations are Elgin and Inverurie, but there is an Aberdeen-bound departure from Huntly at 0748 (SX), and another starting from Dyce at 0907 which terminates at Montrose.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Doesn't Marsden have a third platform, running parallel to the two through platforms, where such services can be accommodated without disruption to other services?
Yes it does, and it is the only wheelchair-accessible platform at Marsden. It can only be used by up (westbound) through trains and trains terminating from the east to return to the east though. A train terminating from the west would have to proceed a few hundred yards further on past Marsden and the driver change ends to be able to cross over to the up Huddersfield or up Marsden loop lines to be able to start from Marsden westbound.
Cherry_Picker
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There's a 19:12 Stratford upon Avon to Warwick. The stock then runs ECS to Banbury because there isn't a path at that time which allows it to call in the platform loop at Leamington Spa. Until last year the service used to terminate at Hatton.
I think this used to arrive from Northam depot ECS, but I notice from RTT that it now arrives ECS from Bournemouth Depot
swt_passenger
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Origin change because it’s a 442, so it could theoretically start anywhere else between there and Parkway, but as before with Esher it provides a guaranteed empty train at Parkway which people can aim for in the knowledge they’ll definitely get a seat.
But in the working timetable since May 2019 there are supposed to be two that start from Parkway, the 0628 1B88, a 10.444, is still showing cancelled on RTT, I guess due to rolling stock reduced numbers?
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xotGD
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There used to be a Berwick - Haymarket early morning commuter service. Loco hauled too.
Raedwald
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The 1558 Ingatestone - Colchester is the only train to start/terminate at Ingatestone as far as I know.
Sandwich in Kent doesn't really count, but all trains that divide at Ashford going towards Ramsgate are listed as going to 'Ramsgate and Sandwich' when in fact both halves are going to Ramsgate. It's done as there are two different routes (via Canterbury and via Dover) and there probably isn't enough space to say where it's going via. At Ashford, when the Dover half is divided, the destination on the train is changed to Ramsgate and this is shown at all stations after Ashford on the platforms.
In a similar vein (ish), I believe due to guard changes services to St Pancras (on the loop service via Dover at least) say on board they are terminating at Ashford. They don't. I think they've stopped doing this though.
In a similar vein (ish), I believe due to guard changes services to St Pancras (on the loop service via Dover at least) say on board they are terminating at Ashford. They don't. I think they've stopped doing this though.
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In the 1980s, there used to be a couple of trains that started/terminated at Stanlow & Thornton and ran to/from Rock Ferry.
Pretty quiet beyond there to Carlisle?
Going back earlier, Holmwood was a regular turnround point - I suppose it was slightly busier than Ockley and Warnham, or maybe there wasn't space at Dorking.
Sadly, no longer timetabled. Shortlands was another similar oddity, now replaced by Bromley South. And I'm fairly sure there was one train that terminated at St Mary Cray in the 60s.
Lots of other seemingly random termini in pre-rationalisation days could be explained by the presence of crossovers or berthing sidings.
Springs Branch
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One remaining example is 07:37 SX Sole Street to Blackfriars. Stock for this train arrives at Sole Street ECS from Cannon Street.
TheSel
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Monday - Friday there's a 1603 Moorfields - Hooton (i.e. between and supplementing the quarterly Moorfields - Chester services at 1556 and 1611).
Part of a peak-buster diagram that works:
1542 Birkenhead Central carriage sidings - Rock Ferry (reverse) - Moorfields [5H00 ECS]
1603 Moorfields - Hooton (2H00 [yes, really! - some wag numbered that one!] in service) **
1638 Hooton - Moorfields [5Y24 ECS]
1703 Moorfields - Ellesmere Port [2Y24 in service]
1753 Ellesmere Port - Rock Ferry [5R24 ECS]
Also terminating at Hooton is the 2330 (daily, including Sundays) from Chester - but that's really just a short working of what would otherwise be the standard clock-face xx00 / xx30 evening service to Liverpool. This one, (the last of the day) terminates public service at Hooton, then runs empty to Birkenhead Central carriage sidings.
** 'track micro spotters' might like to note this train is booked to use the cross-over just north of Hooton station, so as to terminate at Hooton platform 3 - nominally the Liverpool-bound one.
Monday - Friday there's a 1603 Moorfields - Hooton (i.e. between and supplementing the quarterly Moorfields - Chester services at 1556 and 1611).
Part of a peak-buster diagram that works:
1542 Birkenhead Central carriage sidings - Rock Ferry (reverse) - Moorfields [5H00 ECS]
1603 Moorfields - Hooton (2H00 [yes, really! - some wag numbered that one!] in service) **
1638 Hooton - Moorfields [5Y24 ECS]
1703 Moorfields - Ellesmere Port [2Y24 in service]
1753 Ellesmere Port - Rock Ferry [5R24 ECS]
Also terminating at Hooton is the 2330 (daily, including Sundays) from Chester - but that's really just a short working of what would otherwise be the standard clock-face xx00 / xx30 evening service to Liverpool. This one, (the last of the day) terminates public service at Hooton, then runs empty to Birkenhead Central carriage sidings.
** 'track micro spotters' might like to note this train is booked to use the cross-over just north of Hooton station, so as to terminate at Hooton platform 3 - nominally the Liverpool-bound one.
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There's a Guildford to Newcastle service that leaves the former at 0601 in the morning, with a return service that arrives at 1851. I would have thought that starting and finishing it at Portsmouth would have made more sense.
Esker-pades
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Good luck finding the paths for it...
swt_passenger
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As per the last XC consultation, not running it at all makes more sense to XC and DfT. (As discussed numerous times before, of course.)
Prior to the Edinburgh-Dundee semi-fasts being extended to Arbroath, Carnoustie used to have am starters and pm terminators. I think (but could be wrong) it was two in each direction - one to/from Dundee and one to/from Edinburgh.
Dyce was a fairly regular start/end point for services to/from the Central Belt, before they were extended to Inverurie. Most (all?) are now cut back to Aberdeen, with an hourly Montrose-Inverurie service in their place.
Dyce was a fairly regular start/end point for services to/from the Central Belt, before they were extended to Inverurie. Most (all?) are now cut back to Aberdeen, with an hourly Montrose-Inverurie service in their place.
Esker-pades
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One from Inverness to Edinburgh via Aberdeen, one from Glasgow to Inverness via Aberdeen.
One from Dundee and one from Perth in the morning.
A Challenge
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Newhaven Marine isn't on a through route, though?
Esker-pades
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It is if you accellerate!
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I nominate Alton, then, should continue to Winchester 
It doesn't need to be, both Battersea Park and Newhaven Marine are odd places to terminate by default. Newhaven because the main Harbour station is a minute's walk away and Battersea is the most pointless place to terminate a train - it only terminates there because of a parliamentary service.
Esker-pades
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"Trivia: Less obvious stations on a through route where passenger services terminate/start"
Glenn1969
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Stockport. Does anything other than the Denton line parly train terminate there?
Kite159
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Although the platform the London Overground uses is a bay platform, the connection at the London end was removed when platform 3 was extended
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