That's correct. I'd not actually heard of the requirement for the driver not to take their key off before the doors are released though, it shouldn't make a difference really. 9-car 444/450 hybrids aren't permitted either, or they certainly weren't, and I don't recall reading anything to state that that's changed.
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Is there anywhere that SDO is used at a terminus?
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Kite159
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Can Braintree cope with 12 coach units?
I believe Southminster is 8 coach only and gets 12 coach sets in the peaks [with the rearmost unit locked out of use after Wickford]
I believe Southminster is 8 coach only and gets 12 coach sets in the peaks [with the rearmost unit locked out of use after Wickford]
But only SDO stock not but non SDO?
A very nuanced original question...
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Platform 4 as well. To get into the front coach you need to board the second coach and walk through.
Checked this this morning, the notice is still displayed, 9 cars not permitted Farnham to Alton or to turn back at Fratton because of ASDO issues.
Platform Lengths at Vic (SE Side) (Sectional Appendix Lengths)
1 - 13
2 - 14 (can actually fit 16)
3 - 8
4 - 8
5 - 12 (10 Networker)
6 - 12 (10 Networker)
7 - 13
8 - 10
SDO isn't used at Victoria (Eastern) Yellow Balises have appeared recently so I suspect that 700s will reappear at some point but they only run RLU's through Kent and I doubt that they will start sticking FLUs into 3 or 4.
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Actually the Southminster branch is only 4 car in capacity, and the 18:41 ex-LST is a booked 4 car throughout. The Braintree branch only takes 8 car trains, the rear 4 locking out at Witham.
Kite159
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I believe that is simply the return of one of the units which escapes the branch to allow the first London - Southminster service access
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It happened from today at Sudbury with the class 755 flirts
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Braintree holds 12. Front 4 locked out Just before departure but usually after passengers have boarded and only locked between Braintree and White Notley. Rear 4 locked out Witham to Braintree inclusive.
Not a terminus but Bradford Interchange platforms 3 & 4 can only accommodate 5x 195 vehicles, and Asdo should work fine there.
Last year on a Sunday I travelled as a passenger on a 6-car rake from Manchester Victoria to Leeds but the guard and driver decided to lock out of use the back 3-car unit before leaving Manchester, and kept it locked out of use after changing ends at Bradford. They made a right pig's ear of it, as then at New Pudsey and Bramley they had to draw the leading unit a couple of car lengths past the end of the platforms to accommodate the rear unit, the Asdo knew where it was and would only allow the doors on the front vehicle of the rear unit to be released.
Last year on a Sunday I travelled as a passenger on a 6-car rake from Manchester Victoria to Leeds but the guard and driver decided to lock out of use the back 3-car unit before leaving Manchester, and kept it locked out of use after changing ends at Bradford. They made a right pig's ear of it, as then at New Pudsey and Bramley they had to draw the leading unit a couple of car lengths past the end of the platforms to accommodate the rear unit, the Asdo knew where it was and would only allow the doors on the front vehicle of the rear unit to be released.
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