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MMI and Police :S

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Hey guys, long term fan of the forums.
I just wanted to ask really if there were any ex PC's that have made it to becoming a train driver, that had any advice on what to say/not to say in regards to the MMI. Especially if you have examples relating to safety critical situations in a covert role or examples which are not cleared to give due to levels of vetting and the secrecy act.
What would you advise?
 
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Hey guys, long term fan of the forums.
I just wanted to ask really if there were any ex PC's that have made it to becoming a train driver, that had any advice on what to say/not to say in regards to the MMI. Especially if you have examples relating to safety critical situations in a covert role or examples which are not cleared to give due to levels of vetting and the secrecy act.
What would you advise?
Hi, and welcome.

There are literally hundreds of ex Police who have transitioned over to drivers. I’d say personally as far as the MMI goes, you know what you can and can’t share, so just go with any situation which you know or believe will be suitable. You don’t have to be specific to dates/times/names etc (in fact, you certainly shouldn’t go in to that much detail as it’s not required and will be verging on waffling really) so this shouldn’t really be an issue at all.
 
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Hi, and welcome.

There are literally hundreds of ex Police who have transitioned over to drivers. I’d say personally as far as the MMI goes, you know what you can and can’t share, so just go with any situation which you know or believe will be suitable. You don’t have to be specific to dates/times/names etc (in fact, you certainly shouldn’t go in to that much detail as it’s not required and will be verging on waffling really) so this shouldn’t really be an issue at all.
Appreciate that Stigy!
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dctraindriver

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Hey guys, long term fan of the forums.
I just wanted to ask really if there were any ex PC's that have made it to becoming a train driver, that had any advice on what to say/not to say in regards to the MMI. Especially if you have examples relating to safety critical situations in a covert role or examples which are not cleared to give due to levels of vetting and the secrecy act.
What would you advise?
Go back and look at the skills you used before you specialised, you should have plenty.
 

heedfan

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You will have no shortage of situations that could be good answers for the MMI as a PC. Do your research, look at the answer strands and have at least two possible scenarios for each question. The questions are well publicised on this forum and elsewhere. Best of luck to you.
 

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Hey guys, long term fan of the forums.
I just wanted to ask really if there were any ex PC's that have made it to becoming a train driver, that had any advice on what to say/not to say in regards to the MMI. Especially if you have examples relating to safety critical situations in a covert role or examples which are not cleared to give due to levels of vetting and the secrecy act.
What would you advise?

PM me if you want mate :)
 

JRE

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PM me if you want mate :)

Hi Daydr3am3r,

I'm in the same position as James_smalling above. I can't PM you though, as I don't have the functionality to! I think I have to post a few more messages to the forums before I can do that?

I'd appreciate any and all advice though, as I have my Driver interview soon.

Thanks for any help,

JRE.
 

Choochoo0001

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Hey guys, long term fan of the forums.
I just wanted to ask really if there were any ex PC's that have made it to becoming a train driver, that had any advice on what to say/not to say in regards to the MMI. Especially if you have examples relating to safety critical situations in a covert role or examples which are not cleared to give due to levels of vetting and the secrecy act.
What would you advise?

Morning mate.

My advice would be to cross reference your answers with the driver Non Technical Skills.
https://www.theopc.co.uk/files/Which NTS are most important for train drivers - Final.pdf

With each answer, you should be looking to try and demonstrate as many of these as you can.

For example, they asked me to provide an example of when I performed a role that I think is similar to that of a train driver’s - and I used being placed on a custody watch, observing a detainee that posed a risk to themselves.

Then I talked about (for example); “following rules and procedure” (PACE) and mentioned having to build a rapport with the detainee, but taking care not to ask or talk about the offence they were arrested for as this could constitute a non PACE compliant interview and could harm the case.
Also “maintaining concentration” as it is boring sometimes just watching a detainee sleep all night
Etc etc.

Your answers don’t have to be “Gucci” and sound like excerpts from a cop movie, they just have to demonstrate all the non technical skills they are hoping to see. Focus on ensuring any answer, no matter how boring the Setting, hits lots of the NTS and you’ll be okay.
 

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ALSO - Avoid police jargon and acronyms. Avoid quoting legislation and sections of legislation.

All these things obviously come as natural to police and ex-police, but these interviewers may have NO idea what any of the jargon, acronyms or legislation even mean.

Treat every interviewer like a Day One probationer at training school. They have no prior knowledge and will need everything broken down to them.

If you mention a piece of legislation, explain what that means to you, how it affects the scenario you’re talking about and how you worked within those confines - otherwise, there’s a risk that they’ll miss the relevance of how you hit certain NTS.

(For example, the scenario I talked about earlier - I explained that PACE allowed for a detainee to be interviewed under caution, and explained what that meant, and that they could obtain free and impartial legal advice prior to being interviewed. Hence being asked questions about the offence in their cell overnight could potentially be a breach of that - so I took care not to talk about the offence at all)
 
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Just to add that your examples don't have to be work related; one of the questions that seems to come up quite frequently (and I had it ) is 'tell me a time where you had to persevere to achieve something' or words to that effect. I told them about the time I ran a marathon for the first time (and I really did have to persevere!) but it could equally be studying for a qualification etc.
 

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Hi James,

I’m a Police Officer about to make the move to a train driver. Currently in a high vetted role and so couldn’t use any examples from this area of my work history. I cast my mind back to a being response team officer and used all examples from there. It doesn’t matter how old the examples are.

Good luck!
 

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Hi James,

I’m a Police Officer about to make the move to a train driver. Currently in a high vetted role and so couldn’t use any examples from this area of my work history. I cast my mind back to a being response team officer and used all examples from there. It doesn’t matter how old the examples are.

Good luck!
I see what you’re saying, but worth emphasising that you need only be brief in any examples, so unless you’re going to give examples about national security or the like and would need to be descriptive for it to make sense, you could probably use any example you like. Just leave out names/dates/times/locations, or change the location/date/times etc to suit. It’ll have the same effect and you’ll be able to answer the ‘probing’ questions because it’ll be a truthful example.
 
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