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GWR Cornish Night Riviera Sleeper and GWR Class 57 updates from Long Rock

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What about the 67s? Looking at the 57s right now something should be done...
See post 1355. Not unreliable, just overused on a high profile service. As I posted a page or so back, this thread was quiet of late as it was all business as usual.
 
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That doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny: DB have been perfectly happy to hire locos out to other operators (e.g. TfW, LNER, Anglia) that aren't crewed by DB. Sounds rather like someone making an excuse up.

The thing is, the sleeper operation is very oddball in comparison with the rest of the GWR operation and really lends itself to contracting out traction supply to an organisation that has more resources to support it. So, someone like DB Cargo........

Yes it means change and possibly changing crewing etc. But ultimately it is the service to the punter that matters and the internal politics around such changes just show what the railway is best at - disappearing up its own fundamental orifice.
I try not to do politics and only report the facts but I work in a railway where you can't even couple up two different types of train anymore...... !
Wait and see when the next long term franchise requirements are announced.
 

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See post 1355. Not unreliable, just overused on a high profile service.
Then why are there more issues than usual with them being replaced by IETs being more common? If there aren't enough then bring in extra units, there are 67s free.
 

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I still think the 57s need changing, why should GWR have a microfleet of 4 trains instead of hiring in locomotives from DB or whoever who maintain them for GWR, it would probably save quite a bit on maintenance and if there is an issue with a locomotive another 67 can easily be put in.
 

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And you would loose a whole maintenance shift worth of staff from Reading and also Penzance where EU and gov. funding have been invested in for 57 heavy work amongst others. I could go on.
 

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I still think the 57s need changing, why should GWR have a microfleet of 4 trains instead of hiring in locomotives from DB or whoever who maintain them for GWR, it would probably save quite a bit on maintenance and if there is an issue with a locomotive another 67 can easily be put in.
It’s really worth having a good look back through the thread because it’s been discussed many times along the way. Not sure when it was last discussed but it usually pops up every three months or so.
 
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And you would loose a whole maintenance shift worth of staff from Reading and also Penzance where EU and gov. funding have been invested in for 57 heavy work amongst others. I could go on.
Wouldn’t be a hardship in Reading, but in PZ there would be an effect by the job losses.
 

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Since IET introduction, iirc as i dont have my work diary with me, they have been used twice.
But what about the countless problems that cause delays but not quite failure. I had 602 die on me not long ago, managed to get it going after half hour or so. Face it, they are passed it. And i say that as someone who loves driving them.
 

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But what about the countless problems that cause delays but not quite failure. I had 602 die on me not long ago, managed to get it going after half hour or so. Face it, they are passed it. And i say that as someone who loves driving them.
Agreed, if the train is delayed by half an hour due to a fault in the class 57, GWR won't cancel instead they will try to make up time so the people who sleep the whole or most of the journey may barely notice.
 

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Agreed, if the train is delayed by half an hour due to a fault in the class 57, GWR won't cancel instead they will try to make up time so the people who sleep the whole or most of the journey may barely notice.

They won't need to try very hard - it sits at Reading for a fair while, and Taunton for a couple of hours. It's deliberately dragged out so it doesn't arrive too early. I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was among the most punctual trains in the UK (unlike the Cally, which has to cover far more ground in the same amount of time).
 

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57603 carried out a local test run yesterday morning after a bogie overhaul at Long Rock. It was joined by 57306 as insurance and despite a minor brake issue at Truro made it back to Long Rock.
 

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57603 carried out a local test run yesterday morning after a bogie overhaul at Long Rock. It was joined by 57306 as insurance and despite a minor brake issue at Truro made it back to Long Rock.

The up sleeper had some issues last night at Bodmin. The train was 'top and tailed' with 57603 and 57306 showing on TRUST as allocated to the working. The rear locomotive was 'run round' at Plymouth and put on the front to take the train forward.
 

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The up sleeper had some issues last night at Bodmin. The train was 'top and tailed' with 57603 and 57306 showing on TRUST as allocated to the working. The rear locomotive was 'run round' at Plymouth and put on the front to take the train forward.

Oh dear.
 

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The up sleeper had some issues last night at Bodmin. The train was 'top and tailed' with 57603 and 57306 showing on TRUST as allocated to the working. The rear locomotive was 'run round' at Plymouth and put on the front to take the train forward.

GWR green one was the failed one. The blue one was on the rear and ran round
 

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57603 was the Up train engine with 57306 in tow, 57306 as stated ran round at Plymouth then was lead until Reading where it ran round again so it would be the pilot loco for the ECS move from Paddington to Reading TCD.
 

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No. All ours were done at Derby around 5 years back. Air braked too so somebody will get a good deal ! Only reason they are going is that they have 90v electrics rather than 110v the other 08s in the fleet have. 410 will be missed.
645 will be available soon too......




As a Hornby model !
 

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Sleepers 10551 and 10553 along with easy access 10706 have arrived at Plymouth today ex Caledonian. All in Firstgroup livery.
Can't confirm use yet.
 

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We have been waiting but info has not been forthcoming !!!
With the ORR window ruling and franchise discussions and supply of materials for interior refurbishment, its all been a little up in the air at the moment !
 

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Sleepers 10551 and 10553 along with easy access 10706 have arrived at Plymouth today ex Caledonian. All in Firstgroup livery.
Can't confirm use yet.
There is no use confirmed for these yet. They have been acquired speculatively and their use will depend on various discussions at franchise level.
 

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These were the planned extra 2 coaches but due to reasons stated in post 1438 , we await developments.

Which is all I'm permitted to say in public !

10706 has since departed.
 
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