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SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

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Problem with white is like blue unfortunately due to the PRM regs they would both blend in too much with the rest of the existing colour scheme. Shame though as discussed, orange is ugly but until a permanent acceptable colour is found we are stuck with orange
If that were true how come Greater Anglia get away with light grey grab rails against a light grey background? Or the brushed stainless steel grab poles against a grey background on Class 345s?

If blue was unacceptable then all those blue grab handles on the seat backs would be non compliant.

PRM doesnt actually require bright colours contrasting with the whole background. It requires sufficient contrast with immediately adjacent panels.
 
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Given the frequency of seeing feet on seats they don't stay nice for long

The seat covers show stains more easily than the old ones
 

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I'm on a 450 and I can't see any bins

Yes and this is the reason why these units seem to be messier than the non-HC units. The small bins are there, between the seats but well hidden. Most people put their litter in the big bins as they leave the train. No big bins by the doors means more litter left lying around. Why the big bins have not been re-installed is a mystery, they were there when the units were built!
 

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Yes and this is the reason why these units seem to be messier than the non-HC units. The small bins are there, between the seats but well hidden. Most people put their litter in the big bins as they leave the train. No big bins by the doors means more litter left lying around. Why the big bins have not been re-installed is a mystery, they were there when the units were built!
IIRC the floor level bins between the seat backs were installed to replace those in the vestibules as part of the 450/5 mods. Not sure if they’ve altered other units to suit, they might not all be the same...
 

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If that were true how come Greater Anglia get away with light grey grab rails against a light grey background? Or the brushed stainless steel grab poles against a grey background on Class 345s?

If blue was unacceptable then all those blue grab handles on the seat backs would be non compliant.

PRM doesnt actually require bright colours contrasting with the whole background. It requires sufficient contrast with immediately adjacent panels.
That’s interesting considering the 701s use the same stainless steal grab poles

Hopefully they will add blue later then? Or navy like the 159s and the 442s?
The staff at northam seemed pretty hostile when asked questions about the colour of the grab poles in the refurbishment at the open day
 

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That’s interesting considering the 701s use the same stainless steal grab poles

Hopefully they will add blue later then? Or navy like the 159s and the 442s?
The staff at northam seemed pretty hostile when asked questions about the colour of the grab poles in the refurbishment at the open day
The Desiro grab poles could potentially be changed when the PIS is finally installed
 

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Reported on FB that 444007 is being outshopped on Friday, with another taking its place.
 
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That’s interesting considering the 701s use the same stainless steal grab poles

Hopefully they will add blue later then? Or navy like the 159s and the 442s?
The staff at northam seemed pretty hostile when asked questions about the colour of the grab poles in the refurbishment at the open day

I still think the SWR yellow would be a better option; much as I like blue, there's already a lot of blue in the internal colour scheme.
 

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Because the units 450543-570 used to be numbered as 4505xx (because the interiors were slightly modified), but after SWR's recent refurbishment, they've all got the same interiors so they were renumbered to their former 4500xx numbers. Hence 450556 is now 450056.

Strange they renumbered them after all this time.SWT never bothered.

The reason as far as I remember was the original idea was to make these up to five car trains.(allegedly)Bit like what happened to the 458s.That idea fell through though.Remember the "HC" on the front.Higher Capacity or was it Hounslow Crap.:s
 

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Strange they renumbered them after all this time.SWT never bothered.

The reason as far as I remember was the original idea was to make these up to five car trains.(allegedly)Bit like what happened to the 458s.That idea fell through though.Remember the "HC" on the front.Higher Capacity or was it Hounslow Crap.:s
Hounslow Crap. :D :D :D
 

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Strange they renumbered them after all this time.SWT never bothered.

The reason as far as I remember was the original idea was to make these up to five car trains.(allegedly)Bit like what happened to the 458s.That idea fell through though.Remember the "HC" on the front.Higher Capacity or was it Hounslow Crap.:s
Only 5-cars were those in the original order, which the SRA didn't allow and vehicles became the Class 350/1 units.

They retained the Class 450/5 numbers after first class was restored because they still retained the lower density 2+2 seating around vestibule areas and the additional grab rails. Though common user with the other 450s it was a way of identifying the seating differences. The SWR refresh has standardised the seating layouts again on all 127 units.
 

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Only 5-cars were those in the original order, which the SRA didn't allow and vehicles became the Class 350/1 units.

They retained the Class 450/5 numbers after first class was restored because they still retained the lower density 2+2 seating around vestibule areas and the additional grab rails. Though common user with the other 450s it was a way of identifying the seating differences. The SWR refresh has standardised the seating layouts again on all 127 units.
The 450/5s are all still numbered as such on the National Vehicle Register even though the sets have been physically renumbered.
 

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I still think the SWR yellow would be a better option; much as I like blue, there's already a lot of blue in the internal colour scheme.
A little more use of yellow as an accent colour would liven the interior up a bit. Not too much to keep things tasteful
 

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A little more use of yellow as an accent colour would liven the interior up a bit. Not too much to keep things tasteful
Well the SWT colours on the panels and the walls does match the the SWR colour scheme very nicely funnily enough. I think what SWR has done with the interior is nice considering
 

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Well the SWT colours on the panels and the walls does match the the SWR colour scheme very nicely funnily enough. I think what SWR has done with the interior is nice considering
the orange makes the doorway areas very obvious
 

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the orange makes the doorway areas very obvious
Yes like they were with SWT

what makes them obvious is the shade of colour not necessarily the colour itself which is why its best (unless it goes against the PRM regs) to have a bright colour which matches the colour scheme
 

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The stripeless livery isn't bad at all

Will the 159 and 158s get the 442and desiro first class seats ?
 

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The stripeless livery isn't bad at all

Will the 159 and 158s get the 442and desiro first class seats ?
Either that or the existing seats will be re done

I feel like the first class seats on the other units might to too big to fit in a 158/159??
 

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Either that or the existing seats will be re done

I feel like the first class seats on the other units might to too big to fit in a 158/159??
Not sure if this is commuter gossip but chap today reckoned that the new MD had agreed to pause the reprints as SWR colours may not be needed soon!

have any more been released recently?
 

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Not sure if this is commuter gossip but chap today reckoned that the new MD had agreed to pause the reprints as SWR colours may not be needed soon!

have any more been released recently?
Surely the whole point of the SWR brand is that it’s transferable and doesn’t need to be changed with each new operator.
 

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Surely the whole point of the SWR brand is that it’s transferable and doesn’t need to be changed with each new operator.
I think this was the point, yes. Especially for a franchise only 7 years. SWR is a one of those names the DfT would go for.
 

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The 444 on the rear of the 1105 Waterloo to Weymouth, in the new livery, appears to have black nameplates on each end vehicle. Unable to see exactly what they were or the unit number. Anyone got any news on this or were my eyes deceiving me?!
 

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The 444 on the rear of the 1105 Waterloo to Weymouth, in the new livery, appears to have black nameplates on each end vehicle. Unable to see exactly what they were or the unit number. Anyone got any news on this or were my eyes deceiving me?!

If it's the 444 with the stripes, then it's "The D-Day Story".
 

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Ah, thanks, that must have bypassed me totally, I was unaware of any naming.

Was named for the ‘D-Day 75’ commemorations (I refuse to use the word celebrations). There’s the d-day museum in Southsea which the unit is named after. To be fair I think it’s really poor to be honest but I’m sure there’s a reason it didn’t get a solid name badge in the same way Dave Gunson, Fab 444 etc did.
 

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