6Z54 Derails Leyton Midland Road 23/01

trainmania100 · 23 Jan 2020

6Z54 Barking Eurohub to Acton TC has reportedly derailed at Leyton Midland Road.
No further details at present, reported on gen group.

Loco was 66154

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GB · 23 Jan 2020

It’s been reported that 2.5 miles of track has been examined behind the derailed train and pretty much all the sleepers need replacing...not a quick job!

AndyNLondon · 23 Jan 2020

Network Rail have Tweeted "extensive damage has been caused to the track which will take several days to repair", along with some photos, copies attached.

trainmania100 · 23 Jan 2020

Nice one andy, thanks for sharing.

mcmad · 23 Jan 2020

And what is/was 6Z54? Class 6 freight with some sort of gauging restrictions I'm assuming but something out the ordinary or not?

Class 170101 · 23 Jan 2020

Well thats Thameside Freight screwed this weekend and the route via Stratford is also closed this weekend for track and Poiints renewals.

Sunset route · 23 Jan 2020

mcmad said:
And what is/was 6Z54? Class 6 freight with some sort of gauging restrictions I'm assuming but something out the ordinary or not?

That would be an “X-ray” out of gauge or “Quebec” restricted to certain lines or routes, “Zulu” is a control code for any additional train that’s not part of the planned timetable.

theking · 23 Jan 2020

2 weeks is the early estimate.

158756 · 23 Jan 2020

theking said:
2 weeks is the early estimate.

That's a huge amount of disruption for one freight train to cause to London's massively overstretched public transport network. But at the same time it's lucky it didn't happen on the GEML or NLL - would it be acceptable to close either of them for two weeks? If freight can't run without the risk of such disruption there needs to be a serious discussion of whether it should be on rail in London at all. Will the operator be paying the full costs of the closure, including the cost of the repairs and to the local economy?

Chris M · 23 Jan 2020

158756 said:
That's a huge amount of disruption for one freight train to cause to London's massively overstretched public transport network. But at the same time it's lucky it didn't happen on the GEML or NLL - would it be acceptable to close either of them for two weeks? If freight can't run without the risk of such disruption there needs to be a serious discussion of whether it should be on rail in London at all. Will the operator be paying the full costs of the closure, including the cost of the repairs and to the local economy?

A large part of that will depend whether the cause of the derailment was a problem with the train or a problem with the track.

father_jack · 24 Jan 2020

GB said:
It’s been reported that 2.5 miles of track has been examined behind the derailed train and pretty much all the sleepers need replacing...not a quick job!

They fixed the track behind the oil train in south Wales far quicker than that. https://assets.publishing.service.g...data/file/748587/R172018_181016_Ferryside.pdf

GB · 24 Jan 2020

father_jack said:
They fixed the track behind the oil train in south Wales far quicker than that. https://assets.publishing.service.g...data/file/748587/R172018_181016_Ferryside.pdf

Two weeks is only an estimate. It maybe less than that but will have to wait for full assessment to be done once the train is moved. I also don't believe the amount of damage done is comparable to Ferryside and I doubt they were still trying to run a train service at Ferryside.

SteveHFC · 24 Jan 2020

158756 said:
That's a huge amount of disruption for one freight train to cause to London's massively overstretched public transport network. But at the same time it's lucky it didn't happen on the GEML or NLL - would it be acceptable to close either of them for two weeks? If freight can't run without the risk of such disruption there needs to be a serious discussion of whether it should be on rail in London at all. Will the operator be paying the full costs of the closure, including the cost of the repairs and to the local economy?

As Chris M intimated - the cause of the problem hasn't yet been confirmed. Having got into the office this morning, the latest update is that the track damage is over a stretch of nearly 4 miles of track, and the line is under possession between Woodgrange Park Junction and South Tottenham until further notice.

What they are trying to do for the weekend is to try and get the Down T&H available for single line working to get the freight in and out of Thameside. Any trains that do run in and out of Thameside for the time being will be diesel hauled as the OLE has been isolated between South Tottenham and Barking.

delticdave · 24 Jan 2020

SteveHFC said:
As Chris M intimated - the cause of the problem hasn't yet been confirmed. Having got into the office this morning, the latest update is that the track damage is over a stretch of nearly 4 miles of track, and the line is under possession between Woodgrange Park Junction and South Tottenham until further notice.

What they are trying to do for the weekend is to try and get the Down T&H available for single line working to get the freight in and out of Thameside. Any trains that do run in and out of Thameside for the time being will be diesel hauled as the OLE has been isolated between South Tottenham and Barking.

After this weekend would it be feasible to to route freight trains from Thameside to South Tottenham via Stratford & the Lea Valley?

matt_world2004 · 24 Jan 2020

Couldn't they delay planned weekend engineering works as a mitigation against the disruption this would cause.

Chris M · 24 Jan 2020

matt_world2004 said:
Couldn't they delay planned weekend engineering works as a mitigation against the disruption this would cause.

Possibly, but that will depend in part on how urgent the works are, how easily they could be rescheduled, what other works are dependant on these ones, how urgent they are, how easily they could be rescheduled, what depends on them, and so on. Whether a full service can operate if the works are cancelled will also depend on staff rosters.
I can't imagine that this is not being examined as an option, but it might be a very complicated question to answer.

SteveHFC · 24 Jan 2020

matt_world2004 said:
Couldn't they delay planned weekend engineering works as a mitigation against the disruption this would cause.

The updates I get from state that Route Control is unable to cancel the works due to the high priority nature of them, and also the number of critical work sites contained therein.

SteveHFC · 24 Jan 2020

delticdave said:
After this weekend would it be feasible to to route freight trains from Thameside to South Tottenham via Stratford & the Lea Valley?

As far as I can tell that should be feasible, and I suspect that's one option that will be used.

furnessvale · 24 Jan 2020

158756 said:
That's a huge amount of disruption for one freight train to cause to London's massively overstretched public transport network. But at the same time it's lucky it didn't happen on the GEML or NLL - would it be acceptable to close either of them for two weeks? If freight can't run without the risk of such disruption there needs to be a serious discussion of whether it should be on rail in London at all. Will the operator be paying the full costs of the closure, including the cost of the repairs and to the local economy?

Initial reports seemed to suggest that it was a broken rail under the train that caused the derailment.

IF that is the case, far from Network Rail charging the FOC, it will be the FOC charging Network Rail.

Edders23 · 24 Jan 2020

You would have thought that the neccessary materials and staff could be sourced within 48 hours and the job soon after don't they have systems in place to react to an emergency like this they used to

hwl · 24 Jan 2020

Edders23 said:
You would have thought that the neccessary materials and staff could be sourced within 48 hours and the job soon after don't they have systems in place to react to an emergency like this they used to

Factor in that it is all on cheaply build Victorian viaduct with low speed limits due to civils limitations.

Plenty of longitudinal timber bearers over some weak bridge decks (at least 8 bridges in skew bridge over GEML) so a lot of material.
Getting material to site also looks like a challenge especially in the middle.

Re-opening target is Monday 10th Feb.

Plenty of equipment already in use at Kings Cross and Stratford this weekend

Alfie1014 · 24 Jan 2020

SteveHFC said:
The updates I get from state that Route Control is unable to cancel the works due to the high priority nature of them, and also the number of critical work sites contained therein.

One I believe is relaying of Maryland East Jn part of which has been out of use for some months which being out of use ironically makes the current disruption worse as it leaves only the single lead crossing moves at Forest Gate Jn from ML to EL and then on to the T&H at Woodgrange Park!

GB · 24 Jan 2020

furnessvale said:
Initial reports seemed to suggest that it was a broken rail under the train that caused the derailment.

IF that is the case, far from Network Rail charging the FOC, it will be the FOC charging Network Rail.

We don’t know the reason for the broken rail (if that was the cause), it’s possible a wagon defect or loading issue can damage rails.

hwl · 24 Jan 2020

GB said:
We don’t know the reason for the broken rail (if that was the cause), it’s possible a wagon defect or loading issue can damage rails.

I think this will be one of those multiple issue at the same time /same place incidents!
some probably most of this list adding up:
Wheel condition / Wagon loading /wagon suspension + bogie condition / rail defect+ wear / poor sleeper + civils condition.

Ianno87 · 24 Jan 2020

Edders23 said:
You would have thought that the neccessary materials and staff could be sourced within 48 hours and the job soon after don't they have systems in place to react to an emergency like this they used to

Always good to have the armchair experts' opinions on here.

londonboi198o5 · 24 Jan 2020

Ianno87 said:
Always good to have the armchair experts' opinions on here.

was thinking the exact same. And to think there are actually people paid and employed to do these investigations when people can wrap it up in an armchair in less than a day.

Edders23 · 24 Jan 2020

Ianno87 said:
Always good to have the armchair experts' opinions on here.

I am not an expert nor do I claim to be but I am surprised based on my experience of how businesses are managed and I have more than 30 years experience of that there are no emergency plans for such eventualities but there again the railways have always been very insular in that respect

twpsaesneg · 24 Jan 2020

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Edders23 said:
I am not an expert nor do I claim to be but I am surprised based on my experience of how businesses are managed and I have more than 30 years experience of that there are no emergency plans for such eventualities but there again the railways have always been very insular in that respect

4 miles worth of sleepers and rail is not something that is reasonable to keep "in stock" locally, and the longitudinal bearers will be made to order, because they are unique to each location.
There is also the logistics of moving the materials to site, and where you offload it nearby without completely stopping access to your worksite.
It's not an overnight process.
The railway has contingency plans for many things, but the amount of damage talked of here is exceptional.

Nicholas Lewis · 24 Jan 2020

Edders23 said:
I am not an expert nor do I claim to be but I am surprised based on my experience of how businesses are managed and I have more than 30 years experience of that there are no emergency plans for such eventualities but there again the railways have always been very insular in that respect

NR maintenance teams are on continuous standby to deal with broken rails and do so in a timely fashion. However,when a train derails and continues for some distance causing continuous damage the permanent way it will take considerably longer (2 miles quoted on the NR Anglia website). The few pictures above infer the housings on at least one rail have been sheared off and if its continuous even the use of tie bars with a Temporary Speed Restriction may not a short term palliative to get the line open as it will need resleepering and probably the resources to do that are tied up Maryland this weekend. One would have thought they would be mobilised next week as the line is shut and i would have expected reseleepering even two miles can be done in under a week. However, another observer suggest there are overbridges along this stretch and its entirley plausible that damage has occurred to the wheeltimbers or bridge structure which may have a longer lead time for bespoke components rather than sleepers off a stockpile.

matt_world2004 · 24 Jan 2020

What speed would the freight have been going to drag for four miles. I though maximum speed on the Goblin was 60.

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