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TheGrandWazoo
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Some folk are rather premature...
Alexbus12
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What a farce this has become. Halton Councils tweet made me laugh "The Council is continuing to engage with the company"... It is almost as if Halton Transport isn't owned by the council 
Sankey Wire
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Happy to be proven wrong; but, I find it highly unlikely that HT would be able to complete a considerable sale of assets shortly before entering receivership.
The company directors are councillors and the last thing that the council wants is an enquiry into the conduct of directors during the dying days.
childwallblues
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Route 61 has parts of the route not covered by Arriva or any other bus route. One is Huyton to Wavertree Clock Tower.
If Stagecoach are taking some Halton buses for service I would suggest that they may be taking over route 61 and also route 14 Runcorn-Liverpool which I understand is Haltons biggest moneymaker.
If Stagecoach are taking some Halton buses for service I would suggest that they may be taking over route 61 and also route 14 Runcorn-Liverpool which I understand is Haltons biggest moneymaker.
Statto
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61 can be busy too, plenty going over the Whiston section, then you have the colleges in Farnworth & Widnes, i was on the 61 a couple of weeks ago & it was 3 quarters full until Runcorn High Street bus station, & this was around lunchtime.
childwallblues
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You are probably correct. I read somewhere yesterday that nine buses had arrived at Gillmoss mainly from local Stagecoach garages.
childwallblues
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These have been reported as Tridents 18325/65/72/442 and Darts 34811/12/13/19/20.
Saw a Halton bus in Liverpool city centre on route 61 this morning, so at least some are clinging on to the bitter end.
It's been reported on the Merseyside Dennis Dart forum that Merseytravel tendered route 201 (Speke-Royal Liverpool Hospital) which is currently operated by Halton, will go over to Arriva from tomorrow. Will be operated by "Click" minibuses but as part of the regular bus network.
It's been reported on the Merseyside Dennis Dart forum that Merseytravel tendered route 201 (Speke-Royal Liverpool Hospital) which is currently operated by Halton, will go over to Arriva from tomorrow. Will be operated by "Click" minibuses but as part of the regular bus network.
Stagecoach have dipped their toes into Widnes before on an express service Widnes to Liverpool. It’s gone now(last year). Are they really interested in a couple of services? I can’t see the logic really. Unless you’re looking at the Contracted Work ,as well.
Rod Harrison
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I suppose one upside for Stagecoach would be that it would extend area covered by the Merseyside Megarider. It would give it more value. However, I don’t know how many passengers would use both Halton and current Stagecoach services so may not be an issue.
TheGrandWazoo
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If they can get the 14 and the 61, they're decent services and they can run them out of Gillmoss. Makes sense.
Liverpool Echo now reporting that Halton Transport has officially ceased operations.
The report goes on to say that Arriva have taken on the 6, 14A, 17, 61, 62, 200 and 201 routes, but the 14A and 61 will no longer run through to Liverpool. Can't find anything on Arriva's website at the moment though.
Slightly confusing because Stagecoach Gillmoss has apparently received some buses this week for Halton services, perhaps Stagecoach are going to take over the Liverpool sections of the 14/61, or run a competing service?
The report goes on to say that Arriva have taken on the 6, 14A, 17, 61, 62, 200 and 201 routes, but the 14A and 61 will no longer run through to Liverpool. Can't find anything on Arriva's website at the moment though.
Slightly confusing because Stagecoach Gillmoss has apparently received some buses this week for Halton services, perhaps Stagecoach are going to take over the Liverpool sections of the 14/61, or run a competing service?
Busaholic
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A sad and unfitting end to a very long-standing operator, if you include its antecedents.
markymark2000
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SOME buses are running. No 61s that I can see. 62 had 2 buses out, 1 on 26A, 1 on 27, 2 on 14C and then about 4 on the 14 that I have seen so far.
Rod Harrison
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LiverpoolEcho reporting “Halton has ceased trading and Arriva to take over a number of services tomorrow”.
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Apparently Drivers have been told to return their Buses to the Depot as they are no longer Employed.
robertclark125
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An official statement has now appeared on the halton Borough council website, confirming the news many on this forum expected.
https://hbcnewsroom.co.uk/statement-on-halton-transport/
https://hbcnewsroom.co.uk/statement-on-halton-transport/
Flange Squeal
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In terms of the main network, Arriva are replacing some sections of longer routes (and well planned as they’ve already made a new network map!).
6: Upton Rocks to Liverpool
14A: Murdishaw to Hough Green
61: Halton Hospital to Broadgreen
62: Murdishaw to Hale Bank
200: Runcorn Railway Station to Business Park
201: Liverpool Royal Hospital to Speke Morrisons (with Arriva Click minibuses)
Timetables and updated network map: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-w...troducing-new-services-in-runcorn-and-widnes/
6: Upton Rocks to Liverpool
14A: Murdishaw to Hough Green
61: Halton Hospital to Broadgreen
62: Murdishaw to Hale Bank
200: Runcorn Railway Station to Business Park
201: Liverpool Royal Hospital to Speke Morrisons (with Arriva Click minibuses)
Timetables and updated network map: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-w...troducing-new-services-in-runcorn-and-widnes/
I find it amazing that the council who are responsible for supporting public transport in the area, and own the company involved, (both of which suggests they should have had plans for this) can come up with the statement:
'The simple advice to members of the public is that if you rely on a Halton Transport bus you should make alternative arrangements.
And there are people who think buses would be so much better if they were controlled by local Councillors!
He was speaking as a shareholder
So I imagine he doesnt even use buses!
The MY ticket scenario seems to kick revenues into losses due to the continued abuse which I see EVERY single day!
Merseytravel must know by now it was a poor decision to introduce them.
I know for certain all operators are suffering with drops in revenue.
Hence drop in services and inevitable loss of operators.
So I imagine he doesnt even use buses!
The MY ticket scenario seems to kick revenues into losses due to the continued abuse which I see EVERY single day!
Merseytravel must know by now it was a poor decision to introduce them.
I know for certain all operators are suffering with drops in revenue.
Hence drop in services and inevitable loss of operators.
Statto
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79C already covers the Widnes-Liverpool section of the 14A. so that's not surprising
Rod Harrison
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It is a stark reminder that if local councils run buses then other council services are higher up the pecking order for funding. Stupid not to put it up for sale before it got into it’s present state, and for local taxpayers.
Statto
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Warrington's Own Buses are replacing some Halton routes too, including the Warrington end of the 62
https://twitter.com/WarringtonBuses/status/1220721128370589698
We will be replacing most of the Warrington journeys of the 62, as well as Riverside & Cronton College buses and 20, 20a and 3d.
https://twitter.com/WarringtonBuses/status/1220721128370589698
We will be replacing most of the Warrington journeys of the 62, as well as Riverside & Cronton College buses and 20, 20a and 3d.
I suppose this has been on the cards for some time as Halton just wasn't a big enough place to carve out a profitable niche, with Arriva surrounding in all directions and Stagecoach and Warrington circling.
Pleased that it appears Warrington are going to cover the eastern end of the 62 and hopefully run every 30 minutes from Warrington through to at least Runcorn, maybe Widnes, while Arriva are covering the western end. Arriva have picked up most of the regular services. The loss of the 14 through to Liverpool should boost the 79C, let's hope they run it reliably! I am surprised the 17 to St Helens is only going to be every 40 minutes, you'd have thought Arriva would have replaced Halton's two vehicles on the route from either end without too much difficulty, they may lose custom here. The 61 running as far as Broad Green looks a sensible compromise, it covers all the roads where the 61 ran on its own with a good place to connect to trains into the city. I can't say I'm absolutely certain here as I'm not that familiar with the area and the Liverpool bus map has two different 61s at Broad Green, I think they go along the same road at one point! Nothing yet on the tendered 26 and 27, hopefully to follow from someone. Huyton Travel? No sign of Stagecoach doing anything except school services - not like them to miss out on an expansion opportunity like this. Perhaps it just isn't attractive enough.
Pleased that it appears Warrington are going to cover the eastern end of the 62 and hopefully run every 30 minutes from Warrington through to at least Runcorn, maybe Widnes, while Arriva are covering the western end. Arriva have picked up most of the regular services. The loss of the 14 through to Liverpool should boost the 79C, let's hope they run it reliably! I am surprised the 17 to St Helens is only going to be every 40 minutes, you'd have thought Arriva would have replaced Halton's two vehicles on the route from either end without too much difficulty, they may lose custom here. The 61 running as far as Broad Green looks a sensible compromise, it covers all the roads where the 61 ran on its own with a good place to connect to trains into the city. I can't say I'm absolutely certain here as I'm not that familiar with the area and the Liverpool bus map has two different 61s at Broad Green, I think they go along the same road at one point! Nothing yet on the tendered 26 and 27, hopefully to follow from someone. Huyton Travel? No sign of Stagecoach doing anything except school services - not like them to miss out on an expansion opportunity like this. Perhaps it just isn't attractive enough.
Bletchleyite
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The Arriva map appears to show that there will be a section of Busway in the south east effectively abandoned - is that true?
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