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Jo Bamford completes Wrightbus takeover.

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I hope you're right and I'm wrong. But what you describe with the low volumes sounds like an R&D batch. Even if they do sell low numbers I can't see them gearing up for full scale production until this batch have the bugs ironed out

15 of the vehicles were ordered in July 2019, they've been negotiating with Bamford to get the order complete as soon as possible. As i say there's talks of a further 15. Wright still have existing orders totalling around 150 vehicles (Streetdecks) for First Leeds and Rotala too, again negotiations are on going to get them built and in service. While there's no doubt that it's going to be tough for them i don't see it being impossible to get production going, surely the sooner the better. I do however agree that they'll need to bring out a new range of vehicles and it may be years before they've recovered.
 
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Wrights owed £1.3m to Ballard, the Canadian manufacturer of fuel cells, at the time of the collapse, according to the administrator's report. Possibly there were 7 fuel cells on the premises, which could be fitted to some of the Aberdeen buses, but I would imagine Ballard will want money up front from Bamford before supplying any more. As yet, it is far from clear what capital Bamford has brought to the business: referring again to the administrator's report, payment to the administrators was to be made from the sale of the completion of part-finished buses.
 

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I wonder what indications Rotala and First have been given by Bamford as to the likelihood of their orders ever being completed. They don't appear to have cancelled their orders, or ordered from anybody else.
 

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The Aberdeen fuel cells are still in Canada I think. The London ones should be there, but I do not think Ballard have been paid, or at least not all they were due, as that is an administration debt which is likely not to be paid. Obviously as Bamford got them for nothing really you would expect this to be sorted out if they are to be used on buses. I think Bamford was proposing to use a different fuel cell supplier for the London buses that were to be converted to hydrogen, with which he was involved in before he bought Wrightbus.
 
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The Aberdeen fuel cells are still in Canada I think. The London ones should be there, but I do not think Ballard have been paid, or at least not all they were due, as that is an administration debt which is likely not to be paid. Obviously as Bamford got them for nothing really you would expect this to be sorted out if they are to be used on buses.

Even if they physically got to the Wrightbus factory in Ballymena, they may have been subject to retention of title until supplier was paid. I suspect there were lots of pallets of components marked property of XX supplier.

The Administrator can't just seize another companies property, its basically a choice of come and collect it, or we will buy (and pay for) it. My guess is the Administrator will only pay for items that allow it to finish a vehicle and sell it to realise cash.

Whilst a few buses have been completed, it is unclear to me if this has been by pinching parts off other incomplete buses, or maybe had to pay suppliers for remaining parts. At least selling some complete buses brings in some money.

London was due 20 hydrogen double decks (and TfL Board papers gave dates as first one Jan-Feb, remainder summer 2020), RATP (London United) also has 2 outstanding Volvo hybrids for a contract that started 6 months ago. Remains to be seen how many of these actually get delivered.
 

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The Aberdeen fuel cells are still in Canada I think. The London ones should be there, but I do not think Ballard have been paid, or at least not all they were due, as that is an administration debt which is likely not to be paid. Obviously as Bamford got them for nothing really you would expect this to be sorted out if they are to be used on buses. I think Bamford was proposing to use a different fuel cell supplier for the London buses that were to be converted to hydrogen, with which he was involved in before he bought Wrightbus.
As far as I can establish, Bamford's role with these was via Ryse Hydrogen, i.e. supplier of fuel. Wright were to build the buses and they would have Ballard fuel cells. All of these companies were partners in the H2Bus consortium.
 

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Ryse were to be involved with Wrightbus in the conversion of some London buses to hydrogen before its administration. I think the fuel cells for those were to come from a UK or European supplier if I remember correctly.
 

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The order I am talking about is the conversion of 10 London buses to hydrogen power.
 

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There is mention in a newspaper article on the Ryse website. There was other information somewhere mentioning the Ryse partners, but I cannot find it. The bus trade press search functions are really bad for finding articles. It could have been there.
 

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Ballymena coachbuilder Wrightbus intends to take on up to 400 workers this year depending on orders, a report has said.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...l-lead-to-400-new-staff-in-2020-38889732.html


24 January 2020 7:00 AM
Ballymena coachbuilder Wrightbus intends to take on up to 400 workers this year depending on orders, a report has said.

The recruitment was outlined to Mid and East Antrim Borough Council's Growth Committee in a report by its interim director of development on Monday.

To date, Bamford Bus Company, led by Jo Bamford, has recruited 119 workers, 91 staff members and 28 shop floor employees.

Roles include design and manufacturing engineers, coachbuilders, spray painters, electricians, composites operatives, first line managers, business unit managers, stores, customer care, HR and IT staff as well as 57 workers transferred from Wrightbus to Bamford.

The report also stated that on January 6, the firm started a further 50 shop floor employees including electricians, spray painters, composite and assembly operatives with another five manager/mobile support engineers due to start this month.

Councillors at the meeting were also informed that Wrightbus is planning to recruit coachbuilders and support staff locally for its international business in Malaysia.
 

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The whole depending on orders thing confuses me. We've talked about Rotala and First having at least 70 buses due.

The orders are probably in the process of being negotiated again. Irrespective of the fact the same bus is being produced in the same factory, the company producing them is different. Things like the price, warranty agreements and associated liabilities will all need to be agreed and it is likely both parties will want different terms to that agreed with Wright's.
 

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The orders are probably in the process of being negotiated again. Irrespective of the fact the same bus is being produced in the same factory, the company producing them is different. Things like the price, warranty agreements and associated liabilities will all need to be agreed and it is likely both parties will want different terms to that agreed with Wright's.

Yes, quite. It's more than possible that the new contracts would cause First and Rotala to go elsewhere - or order even more !
 

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The whole depending on orders thing confuses me. We've talked about Rotala and First having at least 70 buses due.

It makes sense. What they're basically saying is if all existing orders are secured and new ones placed they'll hire 400 staff members, if not they'll hire less.
 

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The whole depending on orders thing confuses me. We've talked about Rotala and First having at least 70 buses due.

Rotala have far more than 70 buses on order by themselves during 2020. The first completely new buses built under Bamford ownership are due for delivery from April onwards.
 

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Rotala have far more than 70 buses on order by themselves during 2020. The first completely new buses built under Bamford ownership are due for delivery from April onwards.

The "around 70" number will just be relating to the Streetdecks due for Diamond North West. There's a load of Streetlites due too iirc.
 

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New owner has big plans for Wrightbus after Translink deal

By Margaret Canning

January 29 2020 21:00 PM


The owner of Ballymena manufacturer Wrightbus has said he hopes to win government funding to extend its technology for hydrogen-fuelled buses.

Jo Bamford said he needed a windfarm to help develop Wrightbus's technology for building the buses which - along with batteries - are one of two options for zero-emissions buses.

Mr Bamford, whose father is the chairman of manufacturing giant JCB, paid £6m to buy the famous Northern Ireland business after it collapsed into administration last year with debts of £60m.

The Wrightbus executive chairman was in Belfast yesterday to launch a pilot project for fuel cell electric double-decker buses powered by hydrogen.

In a £4m investment, they will be made for Translink, working with energy giant Energia.

Welcoming the scheme, Infrastructure Minister Nichola Mallon said: "It represents a significant first step to tackling the climate emergency we face and demonstrates how working together and as individuals we can play our part in delivering the ambitions of the Northern Ireland Executive to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and improve air quality."

Translink Group chief executive Chris Conway said the collaboration would "not only reduce carbon emissions but will also generate much wider environmental, economic and social benefits".

Around 1,200 people lost their jobs when Wrightbus collapsed, but Mr Bamford said the workforce had now reached around 400 and he was travelling far and wide to build up orders.

He added the order book was already "half full" for the year ahead and he hoped to confirm more orders soon after travelling to Hong Kong last week.

The new owner revealed he had shaken the hand of Wrightbus founder Sir William Wright, who stressed there were no problems over the deal.

"He's 93 years old and he knows more about buses than I'll ever know. I shook his hand and he said, 'Look, absolutely no hard feelings whatsoever'," he added.

"I asked him to come to the bus factory to give me some advice and he was very welcoming and open to that."

Mr Bamford is the grandson of JCB founder Cyril Bamford, who built up a massive agriculture and industrial equipment company which remains in the private ownership of the family.

"Sir William reminds of the my grandfather," he said.

But he would not comment on a well-publicised wrangle during negotiations with Sir William's son Jeff Wright - then the company's owner - over the future ownership of land on the Wrightbus site.

And while the old owners had attracted criticism for making donations to Jeff Wright's evangelical church Green Pastures, Mr Bamford said he believed religion and business should be separate.

Praising Wrightbus staff, he said: "They're very hardworking. We have quite a task ahead of us."

He added that "it's a great business and the workforce have really pulled together in very difficult times".

The collapse of Wrightbus in August came after prolonged trading difficulties, caused by a downturn in the bus market in Great Britain and legacy issues, including the cost of relocating to the old JTI Gallaher's in Ballymena.

Mr Bamford said: "When we took over there were only 40 people left in the business so clearly they'd been through a very bruising experience but you know, all I can say is they're really great."
 

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The "around 70" number will just be relating to the Streetdecks due for Diamond North West. There's a load of Streetlites due too iirc.

No it isn't. I'm fully aware of exactly what's on order & current delivery dates (Cannot confirm at present).

There's new buses due for Diamond WM / Diamond NW / Hotel Hoppa & Preston throughout 2020.
 

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New owner has big plans for Wrightbus after Translink deal
The owner of Ballymena manufacturer Wrightbus has said he hopes to win government funding to extend its technology for hydrogen-fuelled buses.

Jo Bamford said he needed a windfarm to help develop Wrightbus's technology for building the buses which - along with batteries - are one of two options for zero-emissions buses................

Am I the only one who on seeing the words "goverment funding" thinks DeLorean and Learfan...?
 

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No it isn't. I'm fully aware of exactly what's on order & current delivery dates (Cannot confirm at present).

There's new buses due for Diamond WM / Diamond NW / Hotel Hoppa & Preston throughout 2020.

But we're not talking about the other opcos or if there's been any further orders. Of the original order from prior to Wright going in to admin there was around 70-80 outstanding Streetdecks for Diamond NW. I can't comment on if that order has or hasn't been expanding since. I was just trying to clarify what @cnjb8 had said.
 

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But we're not talking about the other opcos or if there's been any further orders. Of the original order from prior to Wright going in to admin there was around 70-80 outstanding Streetdecks for Diamond NW. I can't comment on if that order has or hasn't been expanding since. I was just trying to clarify what @cnjb8 had said.

No - because there were also outstanding Streetlites/Streetdecks from the original order due for other opocos prior to collapse and the group order has since been revised.

What's delivered in April/May was actually originally due Nov/Dec 2019.
 

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No - because there were also outstanding Streetlites/Streetdecks from the original order due for other opocos prior to collapse and the group order has since been revised.

What's delivered in April/May was actually originally due Nov/Dec 2019.

But we're not talking about that! There were 70-80 Streetdecks due for Diamond North West when Wright collapsed, i'm not saying there wasn't anything more for any other opcos or any additional orders since, i was just clarifying what cnjb8 had said because their post didn't make it clear that they were only talking about those Streetdecks.
 

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But we're not talking about that! There were 70-80 Streetdecks due for Diamond North West when Wright collapsed, i'm not saying there wasn't anything more for any other opcos or any additional orders since, i was just clarifying what cnjb8 had said because their post didn't make it clear that they were only talking about those Streetdecks.

No there weren't!
 
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