Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

SteveyBee131 said:

If any are kept to mainline standards

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They've never been mainline standard!

Branch line, perhaps. Mainline, no.

xotGD said:

They've never been mainline standard!

Branch line, perhaps. Mainline, no.

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Well OK to satisfy the pedantic ones I'll rephrase it.

...if they're kept to a standard such as to be able to run on Network Rail (be it mainline, branch line or anything else), as opposed to only on heritage lines, it's a bonus...

Killingworth said:

The Hope to Sheffield 2C summer Saturday walkers shuttle! Laying over in Earles Sidings

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Would love that although I think it would have to go to edale as that’s also popular with walkers! There are some sidings at edale (not sure if they are usable or broken)

SteveyBee131 said:

Much as I love Pacers, in this instance there might be a clue in the company name, Locomotive Services Limited.
They specialise in locomotives, for tours or spot hire.

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They do own a bubble car to be fair!

Southern Dvr said:

They do own a bubble car to be fair!

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Indeed they do, the company name is irrelevant. If Hosking believes there is money to be made with a Pacer, he'll try and buy one make no mistake.

Platform 1, the charity at Huddersfield has been selected to receive a pacer carriage upon decommission.

I hope its a 144 centre.

Sapphire Blue said:

Platform 1, the charity at Huddersfield has been selected to receive a pacer carriage upon decommission.

I hope its a 144 centre.

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There are only 10 mid-cars, and so far none with secure futures that involve running. I hope one goes to a heritage railway, but I can see how they'd be more useful as makeshift buildings due to having more entrances.

If the plan is to replace the current mk1 at Huddersfield, a driving car would be more suitable, as it only needs access from one side.

I'm sure you are right but the WYPTE heritage of the centres have always made me think fondly of them.
It would fit neatly for one to remain in West Yorkshire especially so close to Platform 2, still the scene of its usage.

The MS vehicles might be in less demand from heritage railways, so easier to get hold of for other uses. They'll need a fair bit more work to turn them into buildings though, both ends will need plating over rather than just the one.

Presumably there's a limit to how much you spend turning a Pacer vehicle into a building (and how much of the original is kept) before simply buying a Portakabin is the better option. Not so for the Platform 1/Men's Shed group at Huddersfield mind, as like you say the railway theming is more appropriate.

SteveyBee131 said:

If any are kept to mainline standards it will be a bonus, but at this stage we shouldn't count on it.

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Says on twitter 144017 has been preserved

Glad a 3-car has been preserved.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/83548/2020-01-25/detailed
Kinda off topic but why is a pacer going to Allerton Depot this late in its lifespan? Unless it's just for overnight stabling or something.

Lewis Tickle said:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/83548/2020-01-25/detailed
Kinda off topic but why is a pacer going to Allerton Depot this late in its lifespan? Unless it's just for overnight stabling or something.

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Possibly for warm storage as newton Heath is full. Any idea on the number?

IamTrainsYT said:

Possibly for warm storage as newton Heath is full. Any idea on the number?

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I only heard it go past my house near Earlestown station so I don't know.

Lewis Tickle said:

I only heard it go past my house near Earlestown station so I don't know.

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@deltic14 said on another thread that 142004/142041/142043/142047/142058 were outside at newton Heath so was probably one of them

IamTrainsYT said:

Says on twitter 144017 has been preserved

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Seems to be a charmed unit - that's the second time it's life has been saved

IamTrainsYT said:

Possibly for warm storage as newton Heath is full. Any idea on the number?

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142041 was the unit.

WVL14 said:

142041 was the unit.

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Thanks

The Pacer withdrawals seem to be having a negative affect on services:-

Today, only four 142s were in service and the 10:35am Kirkby to Manchester Victoria was short formed with a single 150/2. Usually on a Saturday it is a 150 and 142.
There were quite a lot of cancellations today. Among them were:-
The 11:55 Manchester Vic to Wigan Wallgate (apparently due to 'more trains than usual undergoing repair').
The 18:00 Stalybridge to Manchester Vic.
The 18:26 Manchester Vic to Kirkby (apparently due to 'problems with lineside equipment').
The 20:10 Wigan Wallgate to Blackburn.

All of the Southport services that I saw were only two carriages and very full.

Will there be a heritage railway in the north of England taking a Pacer?

ed1971 said:

The Pacer withdrawals seem to be having a negative affect on services:-

Today only four 142s were in service and the 10:35am Kirkby to Manchester Victoria was short formed with a single 150/2. Usually on a Saturday it is a 150 and 142.
There were quite a lot of cancellations today; the 11:55 Manchester Vic to Wigan Wallgate was cancelled (apparently due to 'more trains than usual undergoing maintenance').
The 18:00 Stalybridge to Manchester Vic was cancelled. The 18:26 Manchester Vic to Kirkby was cancelled (apparently due to 'problems with lineside equipment'). The 20:10 Wigan Wallgate to Blackburn was also cancelled.

All of the Southport services that I saw were only two carriages and very full.

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There's been quite a reduction in capacity since the pacers started to be withdrawn with some routes with many reports of passengers unable to board peak time services. Surprised this has been allowed as thought the franchise specified minimum capacity requirements. Hopefully once the 195s and 769s are in service things will improve

Fisherman80 said:

Will there be a heritage railway in the north of England taking a Pacer?

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Unless it’s been said, nobody knows

Unit 144017 is now marked down as "unit set to be preserved". Once further information becomes available on who has preserved it, the extra information will be added to the list.

As for the 144's that are going to converted to other use, anyone know which units or is it the case of wait and see?

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped / sent to be scrapped
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.
Pink - can operate provided that they are coupled to a PRM compliant unit.
Black - class 142 units that are still in service, subject to change in the coming months.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002 -
003 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood. Unit set to be preserved by a private owner?
004 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006 -
007 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010 -
011 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
014 - was in warm storage at Heaton TMD, now at Gascoigne Wood.
015 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop, Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway?
018 - in warm store at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
019 - in storage at Worksop, unit to be preserved by the Waverley Route Heritage Association
020 - in storage at Worksop, unit to be preserved by the Waverley Route Heritage Association
021 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
024 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
027 - Unit preserved by Chasewater Railway as a spare parts donor for 029 and 039 + any other Pacer they aquire.
028 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway
030 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway
031 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
032 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
033 - Converted to a Police Training Unit by South Wales Police at Bridgend rugby pitch.
034 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
035 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
036 - Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway (is this still going ahead?) - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
040 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
041 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
042 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
043 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
046 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
047 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
048 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood (soon moving to Newport Docks or Landore)
050 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
051 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
052 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
053 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
054 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
055 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
056 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
057 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
058 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
061 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
062 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
063 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
066 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
067 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
068 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
069 -
070 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
071 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
072 -
073 -
074 -
075 -
076 -
077 -
078 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080 -
081 -
082 -
083 -
084 - in storage at Worksop, unit set to be preserved by Rushden Historical Transport Society.
085 -
086 - at Canton, spare parts unit.
087 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089 - was in warm storage at Newton Heath TMD, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
090 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
091 - in storage at Worksop, unit set to be preserved by Rushden Historical Transport Society.
092 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
095 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill TMD, can run on specified routes and can run solo.
001 - "Penistone Line Partnership"
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications. (Possibly the last ever Pacer in service?)
013
014
015
016
017 - unit set to be preserved. First three car Pacer to be preserved.
018
019
020
021
022
023

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Just been past Gascoigne Wood on the train. Next to the line and visible as you go from Leeds to Selby in order are: 089 / 032 / 014 / 056 / 003 / 007 / 038. 028 is on its own a distance from the others at the eastern end of the complex. The others are in a row behind and can't be identified.

Now let's hear Andy Burnham moaning
about all the short forms and cancellations!
You scrap perfectly working trains and leave yourselves short of stock.
Well well,you couldnt dream this up!

Chris217 said:

Now let's hear Andy Burnham moaning
about all the short forms and cancellations!
You scrap perfectly working trains and leave yourselves short of stock.
Well well,you couldnt dream this up!

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The third line of your poem doesn't scan.

Mordac said:

The third line of your poem doesn't scan.

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Why do you consider my post a poem?
It wasnt meant to be amusing!
It is totally unfunny they way they
have allowed this to become an issue.
Andy Burnham would be the first to moan about the railways in his area,yet he was one of them digging at Pacers to score political points.
Look where it's got us!
It's a total disgrace!

Chris217 said:

Why do you consider my post a poem?
It wasnt meant to be amusing!
It is totally unfunny they way they
have allowed this to become an issue.
Andy Burnham would be the first to moan about the railways in his area,yet he was one of them digging at Pacers to score political points.
Look where it's got us!
It's a total disgrace!

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Well Chris, I already mentioned before that my 80 year old mother is having problems boarding Class 15x units and the new units at certain stations, due to big platform gaps and big step ups. She has little problem boarding Pacers and thinks it is madness to withdraw them. Even I sometimes have problems owing to a previous back injury. There is the problem of overcrowding too. It looks like we'll be using the car more often in future.
Surely the remaining 142s would be better utilized on the Southport line rather than Rochdale to Clitheroe?

ed1971 said:

Well Chris, I already mentioned before that my 80 year old mother is having problems boarding Class 15x units and the new units at certain stations, due to big platform gaps and big step ups. She has little problem boarding Pacers and thinks it is madness to withdraw them. Even I sometimes have problems owing to a previous back injury. There is the problem of overcrowding too. It looks like we'll be using the car more often in future.
Surely the remaining 142s would be better utilized on the Southport line rather than Rochdale to Clitheroe?

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They would be better utilised if they could run on there own