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TransPennine Express Nova 1 (Class 802) Diagrams
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I believe so they can park trains in platforms 1 and 2 in Victoria. These platforms are electrified (or in process of being electrified) and there is nowhere east to go under the wires.
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Another thread has reported that the emergency timetable is coming to an end partially next week and the remainder a fortnight later. Does this mean that all the 802s will be accepted by 17 February?
Aren't they already all accepted? Some need to go to Eastleigh still for vinyls.
The issue at the moment isn't acceptance of units, it is a lack of trained staff to run them.
17 February seems a bit unlikely for a full introduction given that three weeks out only six daily diagrams are being covered by 802s and a number are still going around in plain grey colours.
I read this https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travel-updates/december-2019-timetable-changes as saying that they hope to get full introduction of 802s on Liverpool to Edinburgh but there will be 185s (other than the expected diagram that stays 185 long term) on Manchester Airport to Newcastle for a while.
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Has been said that 22 of the previously cancelled services on the Liverpool - Edinburgh timetable will be back tomorrow, with the remaining ones back on Monday 17th January. As a result, 11 Nova 1’s should be out tomorrow if all goes well.
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Well nothing's cancelled so far according to Journey Check but one Scottish diagram is 3 coaches instead of 5 - or is this 185 vs 397 rather than 802?
Yes, 0707 from Manchester Airport to Glasgow Central is part of a 397 diagram.
The restored services on the Liverpool to Newcastle / Edinburgh route seem to be running.
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11 x 802s 1 x 397 4 x 68s out
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Nova 1 - 3 February 2020
802210
1P13, 9M08, 9S13, 9M18
802207
9M02, 9S07, 9M12, 9S17, 9E22
802219
9S06, 9M11, 9S16
802215
9M04, 9S09, 9M14, 9E19
802202
9M06, 9S11, 9M16, 9E21
802211
9M07, 9S12, 9M17, 1E57
802203
9S04, 9M09, 9S14, 9M19
802213
9S05, 9M10, 9S15, 9P20
802209
1P08, 1P15, 1P22, 1P29, 1P36, 1P93
802206
1P10, 1P17, 1P24, 1P31, 1P38,
802201
1P14, 1P21, 1P28, 1P35
802210
1P13, 9M08, 9S13, 9M18
802207
9M02, 9S07, 9M12, 9S17, 9E22
802219
9S06, 9M11, 9S16
802215
9M04, 9S09, 9M14, 9E19
802202
9M06, 9S11, 9M16, 9E21
802211
9M07, 9S12, 9M17, 1E57
802203
9S04, 9M09, 9S14, 9M19
802213
9S05, 9M10, 9S15, 9P20
802209
1P08, 1P15, 1P22, 1P29, 1P36, 1P93
802206
1P10, 1P17, 1P24, 1P31, 1P38,
802201
1P14, 1P21, 1P28, 1P35
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And still short-forms on Cleethorpes... only indirectly related to this thread though.
Which can be down to a number of reasons, including sets requiring additional maintenance which I believe is the case today. However, this has no direct relevance to the increase in 802's between Liverpool and Edinburgh that begun today.
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Doubt there were 11 out today - at least one Airport/Liverpool to Newcastle was formed of 3 coaches instead of 5 today.
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A couple of diagrams were covered by 185s today, but they're not doing too badly so far this week.
Nine today.
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Don't think all 11 are out today either looking at Journey Check
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They'll certainly be more in use than the Class 397/MK 5sets with only 2 and 4 respectively in use daily, so that's more than these combined.
Nine again I believe.
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How many are due out daily from Monday? 14 or 15?
13 diagrams. 9 Liverpool-Edinburgh 4 MIA-NCL
Still one short on Liverpool to Edinburgh then? How does that work?
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Looking at RTT doesn’t the full Liverpool <> Edinburgh service not start until the May TT change? So even if the current known gaps are filled the full intended Dec 19 timetable still has a couple of gaps, especially in the early morning off Edinburgh?
By the way, to save a separate post, I also noticed on RTT there are a couple of new timing points shown for Chathill and Longniddry “APCO”, which is presumably “auto power changeover”? Is that working now?
If this is the line up of services from Liverpool to Edinburgh next week, the 0520 works the 1524 and everything in between goes to Edinburgh. I make that 10 cycles.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...20-02-20/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
It is true that some inbound workings to Liverpool aren't currently in RTT so maybe there will still be an Edinburgh bound train or two missing in practice.
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I looked at the Edinburgh end of the route using a similar query, and it isn’t quite as “neat” at all up there. Does that mean most early arrivals at Liverpool haven’t done the full trip?
Or put another way, the first departure from Edinburgh doesn’t get to Liverpool until 1359?
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I was under the impression that TPE were due to have the timetable in December, which they will have as of next Monday.
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Hi,
Does anybody know if any 802s will be in Manchester today between 11:30 and 16:30 please?
Thanks in advance.
Does anybody know if any 802s will be in Manchester today between 11:30 and 16:30 please?
Thanks in advance.
A bit complicated today because of engineering work so there aren't many TP trains around Manchester today let alone 802s. In particular the Edinburgh to Liverpool service doesn't run west of Huddersfield (except the last one of the day).
http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/rendercissod.asp?file=302470.xml&width=full&graphic=1 indicates that the residual Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Victoria shuttle looks like it may be formed of 3-car 185s - certainly the 1025 from Liverpool shows as 3-car - check in an hour to see if the other unit is as well.
You might want to check http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/rendercissod.asp?file=302492.xml&width=full&graphic=1 to see if any of the Manchester Piccadilly to Newcastle services are run with 5-car trains. By looking at York and Newcastle as well you may be able to work out which cycles have 5-car trains on them.
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Thank you, I’ll take a look now.
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Yes, there is one arriving now in platform 2 at Piccadilly. (I think it forms the 11.40 to Newcastle). I used the TPE app under 'live times' to check.
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