PHILIPE
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Not given up yet. 37418 on 2R20 tonight
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TfW to operate Class 37s on the Rhymney Line
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Bob Price
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Great, I will give it a go trying to get a photo next week.
PHILIPE
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Hopefully full house tomorrow as 37421 and stock ran up to Rhymney from Canton this afternoon
anamyd
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What do you mean by full house...?
PHILIPE
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Both jobs covered but which has been a rarity for some time
Anonymous10
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I would hope that the 153 is only used with 150 as on there own it's terrible and double is bad
PHILIPE
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Take back #Post 603 and any discussion following it. Picked up incorrect gen for which I apologise. It was a 2x143 movement.
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/live-updates-welsh-train-bosses-17649120
Pacers to be used until July - at least
Mr Jones says that the old Pacer trains will be used until July. They don’t want to use them any longer, but if they need to ask for further Government dispensation, they will.
He says that the Class 37 trains on the Valleys lines they would hope to replace “in the next few months”.
Mr Price adds that the reason they are not being specific is because they are reliant on the delivery of refurbished Class 769s. He says they are getting more confident they will be delivered but that delivery date has gone “back and back and back”.
Mr Price, this is an issue for the Rhymney line only and he wants to give a clearer picture in March.
Pacers to be used until July - at least
Mr Jones says that the old Pacer trains will be used until July. They don’t want to use them any longer, but if they need to ask for further Government dispensation, they will.
He says that the Class 37 trains on the Valleys lines they would hope to replace “in the next few months”.
Mr Price adds that the reason they are not being specific is because they are reliant on the delivery of refurbished Class 769s. He says they are getting more confident they will be delivered but that delivery date has gone “back and back and back”.
Mr Price, this is an issue for the Rhymney line only and he wants to give a clearer picture in March.
Made me laugh when I read it I must admit, can only assume it’s the 37 plus rake.
Esker-pades
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Locomotive at the non-leading end of the consist.
So specifically they mean the 37's & mk2s.
Considering they are peak time services, TFW would have devised a method statement to prevent that being an issue to effect normal timetabled operations?
Bob Price
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I did see that the Northern 769's have guard training happening so they may start testing ours. However the word was that the 153's would replace the 37's short term.
Anonymous10
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Id be glad to see the back of the Pacers as they are working the west Wales trains instead now
I had this back from TfW today. Some information least that I hadn't seen anywhere else...
"Thank you for contacting us regarding the capacity on our services, and the availability of information on our website.
I'm sorry to hear of the difficulty you and other have had with the capacity on trains on the Rhymney line and I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
As mentioned on both ours and the Transport for Wales website, brand new trains for services in the South Wales are scheduled to arrive in 2023. These will be built by CAF in their Newport factory and will link into the new South Wales Metro services. Further information about this can be found at https://tfw.wales/trains-and-stations.
In the meantime, we have already introduced around a dozen trains from other operators and we are looking forward to introducing more in the run up to the timetable change in May. This allows us to cascade trains internally to other parts of our network to increase capacity. One example of this is the introduction of the class 170's on services for Maesteg, Ebbw Vale, and Cheltenham. These services were operated by our class 150's however with their introduction they can now be used on Valley services.
We are also looking to introduce the class 769 for Rhymney-Penarth services specifically however these have been delayed entering service due to mechanical faults found in testing. This has also affected Northern and GWR who were also expecting them to be in service. However, these have been rectified and trains are now accumulating mileage as part of the pre-acceptance testing process. We are expecting nine units to be delivered and will enter service from the May timetable.
Once again, thank you for contacting us and if we can be of any further help, please get back in touch with us."
"Thank you for contacting us regarding the capacity on our services, and the availability of information on our website.
I'm sorry to hear of the difficulty you and other have had with the capacity on trains on the Rhymney line and I apologise for any inconvenience caused.
As mentioned on both ours and the Transport for Wales website, brand new trains for services in the South Wales are scheduled to arrive in 2023. These will be built by CAF in their Newport factory and will link into the new South Wales Metro services. Further information about this can be found at https://tfw.wales/trains-and-stations.
In the meantime, we have already introduced around a dozen trains from other operators and we are looking forward to introducing more in the run up to the timetable change in May. This allows us to cascade trains internally to other parts of our network to increase capacity. One example of this is the introduction of the class 170's on services for Maesteg, Ebbw Vale, and Cheltenham. These services were operated by our class 150's however with their introduction they can now be used on Valley services.
We are also looking to introduce the class 769 for Rhymney-Penarth services specifically however these have been delayed entering service due to mechanical faults found in testing. This has also affected Northern and GWR who were also expecting them to be in service. However, these have been rectified and trains are now accumulating mileage as part of the pre-acceptance testing process. We are expecting nine units to be delivered and will enter service from the May timetable.
Once again, thank you for contacting us and if we can be of any further help, please get back in touch with us."
oglord
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That page states under "diesel-electric": Four-carriage electric and diesel trains (with a picture of an OHL EMU). Will be introduced on the on the Maesteg, Ebbw Vale and Cardiff-Cheltenham lines.
I thought those were meant to be straight DMUs, not bi-modes? Unless of course "diesel-electric" is right and they are actually DEMUs. Either way that description is badly written.
Murray J
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Personally if I was them if use one of the DRS DBSOs to get rid of that problem. Might not be worth it if they are Indeed being gotten rid off by February.
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They will be diesel electric, in the sense that they will be moved by electric motors powered by a diesel engine. Effectively a bi mode only without the equipment for the motors to run directly off electricity from the overhead wires or batteries like the Rhymney Valleys Stadler units will.
That's my understanding anyway
So to summarise.
1. No CAF Civities for at least 36 months.
2. Class 37 rakes to go soon.
3. 769s might be in service from May.
4. We've got some 170s to free up some 150s for the core Valley lines.
Given the office developments around Cardiff Central and the assumed increase in demand that will follow, it will be a nightmare if the 37s go and the 769s are again delayed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 37s stay on in service a bit longer.
1. No CAF Civities for at least 36 months.
2. Class 37 rakes to go soon.
3. 769s might be in service from May.
4. We've got some 170s to free up some 150s for the core Valley lines.
Given the office developments around Cardiff Central and the assumed increase in demand that will follow, it will be a nightmare if the 37s go and the 769s are again delayed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 37s stay on in service a bit longer.
Murray J
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yep, I doubt 37s will be going in February now, seeing as in quote from the CEO of TfW he says they'll be around for a few more months, which i'd say means they will still be in service around April-May if things are still bad.
Anonymous10
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Personally I'd keep them round for a while longer
krus_aragon
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I fear their poor reliability of late, plus the significant expense of employing security staff to stand at all the droplights, means they'll be the first stock TfW get rid of (whenever they find that they can).
Anonymous10
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Until they have enough trains they can't and until at least 2 arrive they can't
krus_aragon
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Yeup. But once they can withdraw anything, I think it'll be the 37s that go first.
(The Pacers, though unpopular, are more reliable and flexible, especially given how generous a dispensation the DfT gave TfW to use them anywhere, with or without a PRM unit attached. The only real competition for early withdrawal is the two MkIII rakes, but they won't be withdrawn until the new MkIV rakes are cleared for the Marches route down to Cardiff. The current training runs in North Wales (including Llandudno and Manchester) suggest to me that TfW are planning to use the first MkIV rake on Manchester services, and move the displaced MkIII rake to the Holyhead-Cardiff diagram that was meant to be loco-hauled since December, but is still being operated by DMUs. On that basis, I'm guessing that sufficient 153s/769s will enter service to displace the 37s before two MkIV rakes are in service and are cleared to operate along the Marches.)
Anonymous10
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To give a adequate seating wouldn't 4 153s be needed 1-2 of which would be prm ones if the 769s don't arrive
PHILIPE
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There was a 37 hauled due to be introduced on Saturdays in December but hasn't taken place due to shortage of funding for the security staff
Once the PRM programme on the 150s is complete a formation of a 150 plus one or two non-PRM 153s would be the way to go I think, provided they can find enough 150s. After all, 150+153 is roughly the same length as a double pacer although the double Pacer probably has more seats especially given the 150 will have lost some seats to fit the PRM toilet. The mark 2 set I think has around 216 seats (based on the Arriva Trains Wales franchise documents) and a double pacer 212 seats. A non-PRM 150+153 would be around 191 seats.
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