Bletchleyite
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Isn't some of the Metrocar seating already longitudinal? I half recall a layout a bit like the DLR?
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I know it's a proof of concept, but I'd definitely like to be travelling around Tyneside at 200km/h!
(Whilst simultaneously being stationary at Central)
i am also curious about the monitor. Has it got a system to check the next station for suicide risks....
Even if it was in a station, those shots bizarrely don’t show the side of the train!
Killingworth
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1500 people filled in the questionnaire and 32% didn't like linear. So surely the answer given by the respondents was for 1/3 transverse and 2/3 linear.
However it's old news having been decided over two years ago, at which point Sunderland had dissented from the linear decision; https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-metro-trains-tube-style-13976713
However it's old news having been decided over two years ago, at which point Sunderland had dissented from the linear decision; https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-metro-trains-tube-style-13976713
New Metro trains WILL have Tube-style seating after decision by transport bosses
NECA's transport committee has voted to press ahead with plans for 'linear' - despite opposition from Sunderland City Council
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The new fleet of Metro trains WILL have London Underground-style seating after a decision by the region’s transport bosses.
The North East Combined Authority’s (NECA) transport committee has voted to press ahead with plans for “linear” seating on the new carriages - despite opposition from Sunderland City Council .
Nexus had proposed Tube-style seating, saying it would give passengers more standing space at peak times, prevent people putting their feet up on the seats and make the trains more accessible for elderly and disabled customers.
And on Thursday the NECA committee officially backed the plans after voting down a proposal from the Wearside authority for a “hybrid” seating layout instead.
Coun Henry Trueman, representing Sunderland council, said: “People have been saying things like: ‘we like looking out of the window, we would feel uncomfortable sitting opposite people, children would be climbing on the seating to look out of the window’.
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“Changing the recommendation to a hybrid layout that maximises the availability of seating would at least say to the manufacturers that they could come up with another design.”
But Tobyn Hughes, managing director of Nexus, said the current Metros did have a hybrid seating layout, which led to “a number of issues for passengers”.
He said: “The longitudinal seating would provide additional capacity for people to stand during rush hour. That’s not to say people like standing, but at the minute there are people during busy periods who are unable to board the first one or two trains that come past, because there isn’t space for them to stand.
“The current design encourages people to bunch around the doors rather than flow through the carriage.
“People also feel there is insufficient space for luggage, buggies and wheelchairs.”
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Mr Hughes said that until the designs from manufacturers are submitted it is impossible to say whether the number of seats will decrease or stay the same.
He added: “Another bugbear for passengers with the current layout is that seats are wasted when people sit in the aisle seats instead of the window.
“There is also a problem with people putting their feet on the seats opposite, which not only wastes a seat but creates an issue of cleanliness for the next person sitting there and gives an impression of antisocial behaviour.”
Nexus says it has consulted with passengers and transport experts on three separate occasions and have found a clear consensus for Tube-style linear seating on the new trains.
The committee voted to endorse Nexus’ intention to specify linear seating in the fleet specification.
The process of tendering for manufacturers can now begin in line with a target of having new trains on the tracks by 2021.
thenorthern
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What is the average travel time on the Tyne and Wear Metro as in how long on average does each passenger spend on the train? Given that the longest possible journey is South Shields to St James' Park which is 82 min although it's unlikely anyone would do that regularly given the detour required.
I can't see it being very long in which case London Underground style seating makes sense somewhat.
I can't see it being very long in which case London Underground style seating makes sense somewhat.
bramling
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South Hylton or South Shields to Newcastle is a fair trip, and there will no doubt be people who travel through the city centre for one reason or another, for example to the airport or coast. An all-longitudinal layout seems to be erring towards maximising room to board, which seems to imply reduced frequencies. A part longitudinal part transverse setup would seem more appropriate to me, providing a compromise to suit the varying journey lengths.
I've a fair few times been unable to board at Chillingham Road due to the sheer number of people on board
Not like I'm against the traditional layout
Yes, by the articulated section. Fun when crowded!
Not like I'm against the traditional layout
Yes, by the articulated section. Fun when crowded!
transmanche
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Here's my best stab at it.
The DfT says that in 2018/2018 there were 36.4 million journeys on Metro. And the total number of passenger miles was 198 million. Which makes the mean average journey on Metro just under 5.5 miles. Make of that what you will!
Kite159
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Something similar to the DLR B07 stock, a few transverse seats behind the cabs with the rest being longitudinal would probably be suitable.
Allows passengers to be able to board during the peak time, where the ability to board will probably outweigh the remote chance of being able to get a seat.
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Would it even be possible to build EMUs with 100 per cent British parts?
Assuming that the answer is no, the cost of UK-built trains would be affected by price rises on parts imported from the EU and other countries with which the EU has preferential trade agreements, including Japan.
Chris M
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Even if you source all components from the UK, the manufacturers of those components would need to source all their materials from within the UK. Assuming there are parts of the train that contain materials like rubber then this is impossible.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-metro-trains-colour-scheme-17659623
The 3 options for the colour scheme revealed.
The 3 options for the colour scheme revealed.
Chris M
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That second livery doesn't look to be compliant with the requirement for contrasting door colours? None of them are great, but of the three the third is the least bad. A slightly brighter colour below the windows and solid white doors and it would be better imo.https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-metro-trains-colour-scheme-17659623
The 3 options for the colour scheme revealed.
transmanche
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Thames Trains did something similar on their Turbos - albeit under a previous set of regulations. Have the rules changed that much?
Image shows a Class 166 in Thames Trains livery, showing green 'sweeps' across the doors.
Oxford Thames Turbo 166 class 2000
The original uploader was Snow storm in Eastern Asia at English Wikipedia. [Public domain]
Image shows a Class 165 in Thames Trains livery, showing green circles across the doors.
Reading Thames Turbo 165 class 2002
Snow storm in Eastern Asia at English Wikipedia [Public domain]
rdlover777
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https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-metro-trains-colour-scheme-17659623
The 3 options for the colour scheme revealed.
I'm quite in favor of livery #1
rdlover777
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Once again, i couldn't help myself
Killingworth
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Growing up in the days of yellow buses I liked the original yellow Metros. The third option is the least bad of the three. The first is insipid and the second looks depressingy grey even on a bright sunny day.
xotGD
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I agree. Option 3 takes inspiration from the original PTE livery and so links with the Metro's heritage.
swt_passenger
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Wasn’t it Newcastle City Transport yellow in the 60s before the PTE was even thought of...
edwin_m
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Yes, but the PTE livery added blue lining which was the South Shields colour.
swt_passenger
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Well yes, but I think at the time it was still seen as a Newcastle based yellow takeover bid...
edwin_m
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Probably so, and it was originally just Tyneside but Sunderland didn't get a colour when it became Tyne and Wear.
Perhaps they should have done what SELNEC/Greater Manchester did, and chosen orange as just about the only colour that wasn't used by one of the constituents.
Bletchleyite
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Er, isn't it Merseyrail livery, near enough?
Thats what I thought when I first saw it, it looks far too similar to Merseyrail's livery.
John Griffiths
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What on earth is wrong with keeping the current livery?
urpert
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Reminds me of the Connex Networker livery.
a) They want the new trains to be special to advertise better and get more people on the network
b) The old livery is a bit boring in my opinion, it is just black and yellow doors with a logo and a stripe on the front of yellow
c) Doesn't black show dirt?
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Thanks for sharing, here is a quick mockup I've done personally. The train would be symmetrical this is two (three cab end) designs. I would like to see the middle car wrapped like this though, maybe slightly altered, but I would like to see a nod to the original cadmium yellow in the design even if it is just on one car. The white/black 'M' is just for contrast to see which looks better against the side, as Metro logo is black I believe it should stay black on the side of trains.
a) It's not so much about being special it's more showing we have new trains, it's a new era for Metro. Metro's colour scheme has always been black and yellow as is visible on signage, station refurbishments have gone black/white with splashes of yellow.
b) It's boring but it's easy to maintain, it looks very sharp and professional and maintains the corporate identity.
c) White shows dirt worse, but black also isn't the greatest. The grey we currently use hides dirt quite well as does the yellow front end/doors hence why I have tried to retain both in my design above. Most trains go through the washer every couple days anyway so dirt build up isn't usually too bad.
edwin_m
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The original livery was mainly yellow and white with black only used for text. So actually I'd say of the three, #1 is the closest to the Metro "heritage".
If number 1 gets chosen then there is no effort there at all and a nice clean shiny livery will soon be ruined with streaks and stains quite easily.
Number 3 will probably most likely to be chosen although the white doors may have the same problem. Sadly imo, none of those liveries are that great but for most people, it's about reliability rather than colour really.
Number 3 will probably most likely to be chosen although the white doors may have the same problem. Sadly imo, none of those liveries are that great but for most people, it's about reliability rather than colour really.