PHILIPE
Veteran Member
Not given up yet. 37418 on 2R20 tonight
What do you mean by full house...?Hopefully full house tomorrow as 37421 and stock ran up to Rhymney from Canton this afternoon
What do you mean by full house...?
Made me laugh when I read it I must admit, can only assume it’s the 37 plus rake.Can someone clarify what "trains facing in the wrong direction" means?
Locomotive at the non-leading end of the consist.Can someone clarify what "trains facing in the wrong direction" means?
Locomotive at the non-leading end of the consist.
So to summarise "the 769's don't work and we're going to keep on putting back the date for Pacer withdrawal. We also think 'the Metro' will be significantly delayed too."
£5 says the Pacers will be with us for a few more years.
Id be glad to see the back of the Pacers as they are working the west Wales trains instead nowYou may be more right than you know...
With any luck lol.
That page states under "diesel-electric": Four-carriage electric and diesel trains (with a picture of an OHL EMU). Will be introduced on the on the Maesteg, Ebbw Vale and Cardiff-Cheltenham lines.
Personally if I was them if use one of the DRS DBSOs to get rid of that problem. Might not be worth it if they are Indeed being gotten rid off by February.Locomotive at the non-leading end of the consist.
That page states under "diesel-electric": Four-carriage electric and diesel trains (with a picture of an OHL EMU). Will be introduced on the on the Maesteg, Ebbw Vale and Cardiff-Cheltenham lines.
I thought those were meant to be straight DMUs, not bi-modes? Unless of course "diesel-electric" is right and they are actually DEMUs. Either way that description is badly written.
Personally I'd keep them round for a while longerSo to summarise.
1. No CAF Civities for at least 36 months.
2. Class 37 rakes to go soon.
3. 769s might be in service from May.
4. We've got some 170s to free up some 150s for the core Valley lines.
Given the office developments around Cardiff Central and the assumed increase in demand that will follow, it will be a nightmare if the 37s go and the 769s are again delayed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 37s stay on in service a bit longer.
I fear their poor reliability of late, plus the significant expense of employing security staff to stand at all the droplights, means they'll be the first stock TfW get rid of (whenever they find that they can).I wouldn't be surprised if the 37s stay on in service a bit longer.
Until they have enough trains they can't and until at least 2 arrive they can'tI fear their poor reliability of late, plus the significant expense of employing security staff to stand at all the droplights, means they'll be the first stock TfW get rid of (whenever they find that they can).
Yeup. But once they can withdraw anything, I think it'll be the 37s that go first.Until they have enough trains they can't and until at least 2 arrive they can't
To give a adequate seating wouldn't 4 153s be needed 1-2 of which would be prm ones if the 769s don't arriveYeup. But once they can withdraw anything, I think it'll be the 37s that go first.
(The Pacers, though unpopular, are more reliable and flexible, especially given how generous a dispensation the DfT gave TfW to use them anywhere, with or without a PRM unit attached. The only real competition for early withdrawal is the two MkIII rakes, but they won't be withdrawn until the new MkIV rakes are cleared for the Marches route down to Cardiff. The current training runs in North Wales (including Llandudno and Manchester) suggest to me that TfW are planning to use the first MkIV rake on Manchester services, and move the displaced MkIII rake to the Holyhead-Cardiff diagram that was meant to be loco-hauled since December, but is still being operated by DMUs. On that basis, I'm guessing that sufficient 153s/769s will enter service to displace the 37s before two MkIV rakes are in service and are cleared to operate along the Marches.)
I fear their poor reliability of late, plus the significant expense of employing security staff to stand at all the droplights, means they'll be the first stock TfW get rid of (whenever they find that they can).
Once the PRM programme on the 150s is complete a formation of a 150 plus one or two non-PRM 153s would be the way to go I think, provided they can find enough 150s. After all, 150+153 is roughly the same length as a double pacer although the double Pacer probably has more seats especially given the 150 will have lost some seats to fit the PRM toilet. The mark 2 set I think has around 216 seats (based on the Arriva Trains Wales franchise documents) and a double pacer 212 seats. A non-PRM 150+153 would be around 191 seats.To give a adequate seating wouldn't 4 153s be needed 1-2 of which would be prm ones if the 769s don't arrive