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RustySpoons

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I don't think any of them look particularly bad, the more I see them the more they're growing on me. The 'specialist' livery is possibly the weakest for me.

But once it's rolled out and the livery is on most of the buses in the fleet you'll know it's a Stagecoach bus. Despite the blandness it still looks relatively unique.

Despite Stenning having a whinge about it I quite like the fact that it doesn't look like one of his designs.
 
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Well, I shall ignore the howls of "it looks like a school bus", for I am quite happy with the yellow and I am looking forward to seeing it being rolled out across the fleet. When they repainted 53334 innthe 50th anniversary scheme (similar to that used on the M-types back in the 70s), I was quite pleased to see the yellow return.

https://flic.kr/p/NGXrAC

Lastly with the "Longer Distance / Coach livery". This is the least bad of the 3 in terms of the template, however the yellow and gold really don't work together. As has been noted if the gold was cream it would look very Northern-esque, which i think would be nicer. Certainly it would make sense given that a large bulk of the coach fleet within Stagecoach operate in former Northern Scottish territory.

I quite like the gold, but I agree it would have looked better in ivory - or maybe white would stand out better.

Perhaps the coaches in Fife and WScot could use colours that match the former operators there too.
Agreed - it would have been nice to see "local" colours re-introduced again. Red/ivory for Fife, black and white for Western - maybe even poppy red and grey for Highland too? :) (as long as nobody tries to resurrect Strathtay - one livery that's best left extinct!)

The only one of the three liveries I don't particularly agree with is the "specialist" livery - the colours are also too much like Arriva's for my liking. Let's face it, though, all this paint wibble is completely subjective and we'll never reach agreement on what looks best.
 

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Agreed - it would have been nice to see "local" colours re-introduced again. Red/ivory for Fife, black and white for Western - maybe even poppy red and grey for Highland too? :) (as long as nobody tries to resurrect Strathtay - one livery that's best left extinct!)

The only one of the three liveries I don't particularly agree with is the "specialist" livery - the colours are also too Arriva for me too. Let's face it, though, all this paint wibble is completely subjective and we'll never reach agreement on what looks best.

Fully agree, will be interesting in Aberdeen with the buses and coaches going back to green and yellow, Almost unimaginable 5 or so years ago!

I'm not a huge fan of either 3, however i knew that the new schemes would be unpopular regardless because Beachball is very much admired across the industry despite the fact that at a design perspective it's pretty outdated and the colours don't weather that well. However i think again across the board it can be universally agreed that the new schemes are pretty lacklustre, hopefully some adjustments can be made though as there is potential for them to be quite good. But who am i to say!
 

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I believe the shape of the red was also designed to replicate an ‘S’ and the blue ‘road’ double up as an ‘H’ to stand for ‘Stagecoach Holdings’. On the subject of it looking like the shape of the UK, rather than just Scotland, I guess the dot in the red could then also be an approximate location of the company’s home town of Perth.

That was the idea exactly. Was supposed to be the UK with the dot being Perth. The logo appearance pre-dated my time there and was trying to take the iconic Stagecoach brand UK-wide when they bought Hampshire Bus, etc. Although sometimes I looked at it on company stuff and vehicles and thought the dot for Perth made it look like a red chicken with a blue tail and orange bits on its head!

Stagecoach 80s branding was iconic… in Scotland you didn’t take the bus to Glasgow, you took ‘The Stagecoach’ in the same as you cleaned using ‘The Hoover’, not a vacuum cleaner. A couple of Skyliners/anything else in the chevrons livery sitting in Dundee bus station surrounded by a mishmash of Northern, Fife and Midland buses just looked state of the art, the bee’s knees. I suppose I have a longing to see the orange, red and blue retained for Stagecoach in the same way as some have said it would be nice to have the Northern, Fife and Western colour schemes back as coach variants. Those three colours have been Stagecoach right back to FES 831W taking to the road as the first new bus they ever had, and before that to GloagTrotter. Which brings me to my tuppence worth…

I’ve no objection to the local livery… except they have ditched the red for green. Not a Stagecoach bus any more without that red. :lol:

I don’t agree with the school bus thoughts on the coach livery. I think the bus is Stagecoach orange & gold, not yellow and looks quite nice. My only gripe is there are lots of very clever coach route branding like Coastliner, Fife Express and the Ayrshire services (which have quite nice vinyl showing skylines across the route) … is that all to be scrapped in favour of this across the whole country? There isn’t really a blank canvas on the coach livery for route branding anymore? So hopefully some local units will remain with different liveries in the same way (I am presuming) Oxford Tube will.

I really do not see the point of the Specialist livery at all… Uni, P&R, Busway & Tourist routes are Local livery vehicles with route branding applied?
 

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I actually don't mind them. The local livery I think is ok, the other 2 a bit bland. But the one thing that is annoying my OCD is the simplified beachball logo does not tie up with the swirled logo pattern on the rear. It would have made more sense to me to have had the same pattern in the logo as the swirl at the end...
 

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i knew that the new schemes would be unpopular regardless because Beachball is very much admired across the industry despite the fact that at a design perspective it's pretty outdated and the colours don't weather that well.

Ain't that the truth... In fact, you could've played new livery comment bingo

  1. Looks too much like <insert another operator livery>
  2. Will cause confusion in a town/corridor where another operator has <insert colour) liveried vehicles
  3. Looks cheap
  4. Looks like a 6th form project
  5. Looks like all the other Ray Stenning designs (even if he didn't design it)
  6. Will show up accident damage/dirt and difficult to maintain
  7. Unnecessary expenditure
  8. What was wrong with current - it is a classic
Not certain that I buy the "dealer white/cheap" argument. I suspect it's something said because enthusiasts know that dealer buses are white. The majority of the travelling public see it differently. Are white cars seen as cheap? Planes are predominantly white (for obvious practical reasons) but is that regarded as bargain basement? Even NatEx have always been white.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not overly enthused about them but neither do they abhor me. I also accept that there are very definite cost reasons behind this change and I don't buy the PR fluff in the announcement.
 

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It's a shame the all over red livery got ditched, as it looked quite nice
Don’t know what this looked like but red is a strong colour and it’s universally accepted that public buses in London are Red. I don’t see why the rest of the country shouldn’t have the same recognition for public transport.

I think the branding here is terrible. The colours are insipid and look like a small-town Bob’s Busses type operator. I’ve always hated the first brand with that insipid lilac and thought the stagecoach brand was much stronger. The trend is heading the other way now, look at what first have done with their fleet in Leeds for example, bright instantly recognisable colour which tells you its the big operator in town.

i hope they realise they are making a mistake and amend this.
 

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Just look at any bus repainted in Beachball, the red normally ends up faded or needing touched up within a couple of months, that was part of the motivation for ditching it in the new livery.
 

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Don’t know what this looked like but red is a strong colour and it’s universally accepted that public buses in London are Red. I don’t see why the rest of the country shouldn’t have the same recognition for public transport.

I think the branding here is terrible. The colours are insipid and look like a small-town Bob’s Busses type operator. I’ve always hated the first brand with that insipid lilac and thought the stagecoach brand was much stronger. The trend is heading the other way now, look at what first have done with their fleet in Leeds for example, bright instantly recognisable colour which tells you its the big operator in town.

i hope they realise they are making a mistake and amend this.

They won't. It seems the Head Office marketing folk are listening to focus groups rather than people at OpCo level... (People want a clear brand so they know which one to catch, so here is three of them....)
 

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Just look at any bus repainted in Beachball, the red normally ends up faded or needing touched up within a couple of months, that was part of the motivation for ditching it in the new livery.
Why does that particular red fade, when you never hear of other red buses fading? Is it a cheaper type of paint that's used for it or something?
 

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I assume that Magic Bus will disappear along with Coastliner, Falcon and other liveries?

Matt Kitchin has said on Twitter that Magic livery is staying, but is having a new look. The hybrids in Manchester will be painted into it.
 

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I really hope their listening to what people think of these because these are horrible. If they really want to make the buses easier to spot and identify, just make route liveries with the traditional beachball. I've grown up with the beach ball and have never, ever had a problem with knowing what bus to go on. Because there's a thing called reading the bus number. This has well and truly killed my hope for more distinct liveries for certain routes. The x17s no longer have their purple, the G1s have been replaced by the 1 which is the usual beachball, the 68 is dead so there goes the county links liveries and all you have left is the plain beachball buses, the 11 National Express and the 77 Johnsons. All the buses are the same when a few years ago you had so many different colours. And now their releasing these on to what I fear is every single bus in the UK they have. I can't imagine the old Dart x17s I grew up traveling on with no red, orange or blue.

This to me is like Ferrari announcing they'll be using a different colour in F1. You just don't change what isn't broke. I hoped they would add route liveries to the beachball again to add more variety and for identifying buses. But now all buses will be the same. Who knows I may get used to the colours when their on the road but right now.
Give me the beachball any day.
 

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All the buses are the same when a few years ago you had so many different colours.
Exactly the same thing could have been (and probably was) said when the National Bus Company introduced its green and red liveries across its fleets. I grumbled and moaned when the ubiquitous Stagecoach stripes replaced the traditional regional colours when the Scottish Bus Group was privatised. GRT got it right (in my opinion) by using its subsidiaries' former colours in a corporate style, before the all-encompassing Barbie came along.
I am no fan of corporate liveries, but I understand why they're used. Beachball is 20 years old and is getting tired, as did the stripes before it. Local route branding will continue because it's a valuable marketing tool - all that happens is that special vinyls are applied over the base livery.
 

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I really hope their listening to what people think of these because these are horrible. If they really want to make the buses easier to spot and identify, just make route liveries with the traditional beachball. I've grown up with the beach ball and have never, ever had a problem with knowing what bus to go on. Because there's a thing called reading the bus number. This has well and truly killed my hope for more distinct liveries for certain routes. The x17s no longer have their purple, the G1s have been replaced by the 1 which is the usual beachball, the 68 is dead so there goes the county links liveries and all you have left is the plain beachball buses, the 11 National Express and the 77 Johnsons. All the buses are the same when a few years ago you had so many different colours. And now their releasing these on to what I fear is every single bus in the UK they have. I can't imagine the old Dart x17s I grew up traveling on with no red, orange or blue.

This to me is like Ferrari announcing they'll be using a different colour in F1. You just don't change what isn't broke. I hoped they would add route liveries to the beachball again to add more variety and for identifying buses. But now all buses will be the same. Who knows I may get used to the colours when their on the road but right now.
Give me the beachball any day.

Thing is most people won't have an opinion. Most, if not all, of the negative feedback I've seen this last few days has been from enthusiasts. And they'll make up a very tiny proportion of Stagecoach's income, so their opinions will be pretty much moot.
 

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Thing is most people won't have an opinion. Most, if not all, of the negative feedback I've seen this last few days has been from enthusiasts. And they'll make up a very tiny proportion of Stagecoach's income, so their opinions will be pretty much moot.

The opinions of the maintaince staff have clearly been ignored too...
 

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Matt Kitchin has said on Twitter that Magic livery is staying, but is having a new look. The hybrids in Manchester will be painted into it.
Yeah, magic bus keeping its own separate livery. Will be interesting to see exactly what they do to it
 

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Just passed a broken down 60 plate coach in the new livery, Northbound on the A1 just short of Dunbar. Didn't catch the reg or fleetnumber.

So now I can say having seen it in the flesh it still doesn't work for me. Screams school bus and up here will cause far more confusion (I'm thinking with Citylinks) than beachball ever did.

However, that focus group filled ship sailed sometime ago!
 

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Personally I get the feeling this 'rebrand' won't last long before its teared up and we're either back to a revised beachball livery or a new livery all together. Stagecoach have made a massive mistake with this and I can't wait for it to backfire, because I'd actually put money that it will.
 

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Personally I get the feeling this 'rebrand' won't last long before its teared up and we're either back to a revised beachball livery or a new livery all together. Stagecoach have made a massive mistake with this and I can't wait for it to backfire, because I'd actually put money that it will.

A certain bearded shorts-wearer must surely be lying in wait :D
 

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As for the new livery itself, I definitely prefer beach ball which has proven very versatile for route branding with many Stagecoach divisions recolouring it for certain routes over the years.

I am quite surprised at how badly this rebrand has been handled though. They could've made more of an impact by painting up a couple of vehicles at each Stagecoach divisions before the launch, unleashing them onto the road on a flagship route on the launch day. I know that Rome wasn't built in a day, but it seems that it could take weeks for anything in the new livery to appear in some areas which lessens the impact of a rebrand.
 

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As for the new livery itself, I definitely prefer beach ball which has proven very versatile for route branding with many Stagecoach divisions recolouring it for certain routes over the years.

Agreed. Beachball still looks modern and striking. This very much seems to be rebranding for the sake of rebranding, to an inferior, washed-out look.
 

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Enthusiasts are fairly conservative people, we want tradition, things were much better in the old days etc etc - it's no surprise that this livery seems to have gone down badly.

Sometimes I'd play Devils Advocate and try to understand the reasons behind something that people have given their gut reaction to but... nah! It's really not a good look.

I get that marketing people will want clean crisp images, something bright will go down well with the "Perfect Curve" design consultancy. Whereas (e.g.) maintenance staff will want something simpler with dark skirts, since those are the panels that will get accident damaged - the dirt/ puddles etc will show up too.

For me, the proper Barbie livery was a big success. Clear and distinctive, but also dark skirts and a fairly simple horizontal pattern (other than the willow leaf, which gave the impression of momentum). Dark blue and white, with a splash of vivid pink to contrast - just enough wacky/zany colour to brighten the vehicle up, compared to the blue/white. Much better than the "paint the bus an overall pink/ turquoise/ orange" approach favoured by some companies - in the way that a vivid tie works with a conservative shirt/tie combination (but you wouldn't want a whole suit as bright as the tie (unless you were Colin Hunt of The Fast Show).

The next problem is the huge areas of bulky black on modern buses - look at the glazing, the windows and destination screen are enormous - so you need a colour scheme that works around this - hopefully something that works on a variety of vehicle types/ manufacturers (e.g. the First "Olympia" livery works better on a double decker Wright body, given the way that "W" logo at the back is centrepiece of the lightening diagonals). For example, the Streetdecks First has had in South Yorkshire - https://www.flickr.com/photos/york-bus/43528170394 - dark (so that the windows/glazing/screens don't stick out as ugly black patches) but with a colourful stripe along the bottom and some kind of rising/diagonal/curve/swoosh - that's the kind of livery that seems to suit a modern bus.

Beachball was still a good livery - the main problem was that the front blue section looked a bit too dominated by the black sections of modern glazing etc - but you've got a solid dark simple horizontal skirt and a colourful at the rear - plus it was plain enough to permit branding.

These schemes though... far too messy, far too complicated - any subtlety in the middle of the double decker (i.e. the front of the "beachball") will be ruined by the inevitable advertising banners (something that First's designers forgot - nobody is going to notice the subtlety of your flying "f" when there's a huge advert for something that distracts from your oh-so-clever design work.

I know that a lot of this is about personal preference but I'm trying not to make this about "I like blue more than I like red" (or any other petty bias) - this just all feels too complicated and too bright for it to work once the freshly repainted buses are trundling around in the November rain. Concepts might look good in the design studio but I think that this is too fussy... and from a brand that had no real need to instigate serious change - they didn't have the reputation problem that First had - they haven't been taken over. Why bother with all of this?
 

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How much autonomy do local managers get? Could be even less than that if local managers go back with "I'm not putting that rubbish on my buses"?

Not much. Some of the original Gold routes were hand-picked by Uncle Brian for example....
 

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I’m not keen on the new livery. I think it will cause more confusion for passengers having 3 different liveries for the same company. The money could have been better off spent modernising some of the fleet.
 
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