• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

4O05, 07:15 Birch Coppice Freightliner to Southampton M.C.T derailed at Eastleigh (28/01)

Status
Not open for further replies.

pompeyfan

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2012
Messages
4,181
I’m pretty sure they can in terms of pathing, but for some reason unknown to me they obviously aren’t. Perhaps they believe intermediate traffic at Millbrook and Redbridge isn’t enough on its own to justify a service?

(The planned Romsey <> Romsey SWR services are also visible on RTT if you select the “CAN” (cancelled) option.)

I would imagine it was too short notice to amend crew jobs and diagrams, once the 36 hour sheets were published on Thursday that would be that. Crew would have been issued with their amended jobs which are usually a lot less efficient so tend to require more crew to work fewer trains. Similar things happened when RMT called off strikes the day before at Northern. Crew sat around twiddling thumbs because it wasn’t possible to run a full timetable.

signalling maps are showing platform 2 at Eastleigh as shut UFN, I assume the Poole stoppers and Romsey rockets will just skip Eastleigh in the airport direction with passengers told to circulate via the airport or Winchester, perhaps with buses shuttling every 15 minutes between the airport and Eastleigh.
 
Last edited:
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

pompeyfan

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2012
Messages
4,181
I’ve lifted the attached picture directly from Paul Cliftons twitter account.
 

Attachments

  • 664CEB1C-7F34-4542-A45E-28582AB7DFF2.jpeg
    664CEB1C-7F34-4542-A45E-28582AB7DFF2.jpeg
    311.8 KB · Views: 333

spark001uk

Established Member
Joined
20 Aug 2010
Messages
2,325
Understand that whilst the US/UF have been used to enable repairs this week it wasn't possible, but once they're out of the way would it not be possible to bi-di p1 for mainline services to call? Also perhaps the Romsey branch (terminating only)?
 
Last edited:

swt_passenger

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Apr 2010
Messages
31,266
Understand that whilst the US/UF have been used to enable repairs this week it wasn't possible, but once they're out of the way would it not be possible to bi-di p1 for mainline services to call? Also perhaps the Romsey branch (terminating only)?
I don’t think it’s practical to run south from P1, there’s no crossover until at least St Denys, (but is that a ground frame?), so possibly not until alongside Northam Depot.
 
Last edited:

pompeyfan

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2012
Messages
4,181
I don’t think it’s practical to run south from P1, there’s no crossover until at least St Denys, possibly not until alongside Northam Depot.

there’s a ground frame at St Denys but it’s definitely not practical to make use of. The Portsmouth via Basingstoke services are going to be cosy on Monday, especially at college kick out time.
 

swt_passenger

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Apr 2010
Messages
31,266
there’s a ground frame at St Denys but it’s definitely not practical to make use of. The Portsmouth via Basingstoke services are going to be cosy on Monday, especially at college kick out time.
Thanks, I was just editing to add that as a potential issue, so thanks for confirming.
 
Last edited:

spark001uk

Established Member
Joined
20 Aug 2010
Messages
2,325
Ah OK, thanks for confirming. How about for turning services round from Waterloo though (and Romsey)? The crossings are there for that?
 
Last edited:

pompeyfan

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2012
Messages
4,181
I believe the layout that open train times uses is correct. You could terminate some service at Eastleigh and turn them round but that would be unfair on other passengers.

long term the Southern and GWR services via Eastleigh will also have to run via Netley.
 

Attachments

  • B91A0D9E-B498-4851-B1D4-18AA77FF9C84.png
    B91A0D9E-B498-4851-B1D4-18AA77FF9C84.png
    336.2 KB · Views: 130

Snow1964

Established Member
Joined
7 Oct 2019
Messages
6,024
Location
West Wiltshire
I’ve lifted the attached picture directly from Paul Cliftons twitter account.

There used to be another crossover the other side of Campbell Road Bridge, but went years ago, found this old photo with it

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1110069

Would have provided an alternative (even if it required hand signalling).

Would have thought after 5 days could have found at least one set of points they could have borrowed from somewhere even if they had no third rail, even if couldn’t do the second one
 
Last edited:

swt_passenger

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Apr 2010
Messages
31,266
I believe the layout that open train times uses is correct. You could terminate some service at Eastleigh and turn them round but that would be unfair on other passengers.
I’d tend to agree, the normal Waterloo to Eastleigh services either go to Poole or Portsmouth, so stopping the Pooles short wouldn’t help passengers for further west much at all.

At the back of my memory from when Eastleigh has been used as a terminus from the Waterloo direction during engineering works, I think they’ve always arrived in P2 and shunted across to P1 via ground signal 222. The move directly into P1 might not be signalled to passenger standards, maybe someone could confirm?
 

pompeyfan

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2012
Messages
4,181
I’d tend to agree, the normal Waterloo to Eastleigh services either go to Poole or Portsmouth, so stopping the Pooles short wouldn’t help passengers for further west much at all.

At the back of my memory from when Eastleigh has been used as a terminus from the Waterloo direction during engineering works, I think they’ve always arrived in P2 and shunted across to P1 via ground signal 222. The move directly into P1 might not be signalled to passenger standards, maybe someone could confirm?

ive never known anything to shunt over to platform 1 because usually they just run them in and out, but 222 is a regular shunt signal, with 2W84 shunting to form 2T75 via 222. I’d assume XC will need to shunt via 222 or Allbrook.

platform 1 does have a limit of shunt ground position signal country end. I’m not sure if standards allow passenger services to use LOS or if the train has to be empty.
 

Kite159

Veteran Member
Joined
27 Jan 2014
Messages
19,156
Location
West of Andover
I guess one solution when the line reopens in the current state, will be to have everything heading north to call at Eastleigh to allow passengers to interchange via Winchester or Southampton Airport.
 

pompeyfan

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2012
Messages
4,181
I guess one solution when the line reopens in the current state, will be to have everything heading north to call at Eastleigh to allow passengers to interchange via Winchester or Southampton Airport.

you could but the extra delays would knock on. Also you wouldn’t gain anything as the xx:14 from Eastleigh sits there to be overtaken.

run a bus every 15 minutes between SOA and ESL and be done with.
 

RichT54

Member
Joined
6 Jun 2018
Messages
420
https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/update-derailment-at-eastleigh

Update: Derailment at Eastleigh
Region & Route: Anglia
Following the derailment at Eastleigh station repairs continue on site as Network Rail engineers work around the clock to reopen the stretch of railway damaged after six 52 tonne wagons came off the track.

The majority of services are still expected to begin running through the station from the early hours of Monday morning. Work required to reinstate the infrastructure is significant, however the installation of temporary track enables the railway to be reopened while engineers plan and deliver the full repair. This interim solution means that some points will not be in place to enable all services to call at Eastleigh station until further notice. Network Rail apologises for the ongoing changes to services while the necessary repair work is carried out and passengers are advised to check with www.southwesternrailway.com before travelling.

Service information from South Western Railway

  1. Any train that heads towards Southampton from the Basingstoke direction will not be able to call at Eastleigh. Trains will be able to call at Eastleigh in the London bound direction from Southampton ONLY. Customers travelling to Eastleigh from the London / Basingstoke / Winchester direction will need to travel on a Portsmouth Harbour / Portsmouth and Southsea via Basingstoke service or alternatively to Southampton Airport Parkway and return back on a northbound service. This may entail an approx. 30 minute maximum wait at Southampton Airport Parkway but should be an average of 5-10 minutes.
    1. Trains from Romsey to Salisbury via Chandlers Ford will be unable to call at Eastleigh
    2. Services from Waterloo to Poole will be unable to call at Eastleigh
  2. There will be some additional peak time services that will also be unable to call at Eastleigh or may have to be cancelled throughout.
Background

  • 160 metres of track has been removed and replaced.
  • Work is underway to reinstate signalling and conductor rail infrastructure.
  • Repair work will be followed by an extensive period of testing to ensure the infrastructure is working correctly and safely.
  • An independent RAIB investigation into what happened is ongoing, plus an internal review. Information will be shared at a later date.
 

Edders23

Member
Joined
22 Sep 2018
Messages
549
well looks like they managed to sort this one out albeit a temporary fix fairly quickly but I suspect life will be difficult for the TOC's for a few days

Just out of interest when they rebuild it would they consider altering or simplifying the track layout or is that the only layout that works ?
 

greaterwest

Established Member
Joined
23 Nov 2014
Messages
1,423
Disruption is now expected until the end of the day on the 9th of February, vs the original estimate of the 2nd.
 

swt_passenger

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Apr 2010
Messages
31,266
well looks like they managed to sort this one out albeit a temporary fix fairly quickly but I suspect life will be difficult for the TOC's for a few days

Just out of interest when they rebuild it would they consider altering or simplifying the track layout or is that the only layout that works ?
I think “as it was” would be the only layout possible that allows all the necessary parallel moves, eg P2 to Southampton and Botley line to P3 (and the other direction) at the same time.
 

swt_passenger

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Apr 2010
Messages
31,266
RTT is now showing the timetable for Monday with all down Poole and down Salisbury services skipping Eastleigh as per the earlier NR brief...

(Checking the evening trains it may not be fully amended yet...)
 
Last edited:

spark001uk

Established Member
Joined
20 Aug 2010
Messages
2,325
Interesting timeline that the Trainline has been supplying for the xx05 off WAT, love to know how that's going to be achieved!!!

Teleport anyone??

watsoudiv010220.png
 
Last edited:

Wychwood93

Member
Joined
25 Jan 2018
Messages
634
Location
Burton. Dorset.
I think “as it was” would be the only layout possible that allows all the necessary parallel moves, eg P2 to Southampton and Botley line to P3 (and the other direction) at the same time.
'As it was' is, in the short term, the only way to go - many of us can think of alternatives. The former junction with the link from Fareham through to platform 1...……. it is said that it was taken out to maintain speeds through the station, it could be said that, as everything stops at Parkway it would not be an issue. 'As is' is by far the cheapest option - other ideas, whilst sensible, drift off into financial silliness. We are lucky to have the newish up slow from Stoneham!
 

swt_passenger

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Apr 2010
Messages
31,266

edwin_m

Veteran Member
Joined
21 Apr 2013
Messages
24,793
Location
Nottingham
'As is' is by far the cheapest option - other ideas, whilst sensible, drift off into financial silliness.
It's also the quickest because any change to the layout or functionality would require new signaling design work with its attendant checking and testing. Putting the signalling back "as was" just involves site testing to confirm it functions as intended. Plus I expect there would be extra funding hurdles to jump within NR if it was an enhancement rather than just a necessary repair.
 

30907

Veteran Member
Joined
30 Sep 2012
Messages
17,867
Location
Airedale
well looks like they managed to sort this one out albeit a temporary fix fairly quickly but I suspect life will be difficult for the TOC's for a few days

Just out of interest when they rebuild it would they consider altering or simplifying the track layout or is that the only layout that works ?
Having had a look via Googlemaps yesterday, there isn't quite the space to take out the single slip from P3 and replace it with ordinary pointwork. Fortunately it seems it is sufficiently undamaged to be usable to/from Fareham...

Making P1 bi-di would require a trailing crossover at the south end and a facing one at the north end - might be worth considering at resignalling time, but neither is necessary in any normal circumstances. BTW there is a trailing crossover on the Romsey line not shown on OTT; not much use ATM though!
 

infobleep

Veteran Member
Joined
27 Feb 2011
Messages
12,556
I noticed on Saturday that the trains from Waterloo to Weymouth and the return were stopping additionally at Guildford

I didn't think that was happening during the previous days but it appears maybe some were stopping additionally at Guildford. I certainly did see some pass through non atop.
 

Kite159

Veteran Member
Joined
27 Jan 2014
Messages
19,156
Location
West of Andover
I noticed on Saturday that the trains from Waterloo to Weymouth and the return were stopping additionally at Guildford

I didn't think that was happening during the previous days but it appears maybe some were stopping additionally at Guildford. I certainly did see some pass through non atop.

Some of those diverted trains were very lightly loaded, especially a 444 I saw crawling pass Havant heading towards London had around 20 passengers if most. (Around 14:50ish)

(Although I did also have a pair of 455s towards Haslemere which was extremely unexpected)
 

pompeyfan

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2012
Messages
4,181
I noticed on Saturday that the trains from Waterloo to Weymouth and the return were stopping additionally at Guildford

I didn't think that was happening during the previous days but it appears maybe some were stopping additionally at Guildford. I certainly did see some pass through non atop.

several picked up stops at Guildford, Havant and Fareham, mainly for crewing reasons.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top