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TPE Class 397 ('Nova 2') construction and updates

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route101

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Based on tracing in RTT the same unit that worked 1M67 2212 Edinburgh to Manchester Airport last night and that appears from an entry in Railcam data to be 350402.

Glad i didnt get up early to get the 907 ha .
 
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Suprised there using the reservations , thought they had been suspended.

Was told by customer services that reservations have been suspended for first class.

Edit: They were previously suspended until 14 DEC. They appear to have kept the suspension on first class, but not standard. At a guess, might be to do with first class now being coach E rather than coach C.
 
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Not sure what was up with the Seat Reservation system on 007, has been fine but wasn't on it last week.
011 had a wobble first day in service but generally been working ok on all.
All reservations are still being placed on Nova 2 by hand at Airport/Glasgow/Edinburgh in case the system fails short term so reservations should be on in duplicate for now.

Don't think last minute reservations allowed as yet until diagrams confirmed as a certainty.

Re: boarding, no noticeable difference at WCML stations if unit the correct way round (Coach A leading Northbound)as platform staff get more familiar where unit stops/coaches are so helping customers pre arrival.

PICC is PICC, no amount of persuasion will get people to move to use all the doors. Once commuters for preston get used to the trains running in service/formation that will help at Picc for boarding on the 16:26/17:26 & 18:26 as they'll be stood near where the doors are/unreserved and quieter reserved coaches.
Once boarded if crammed the guard should use the cameras/PA to manage the train(especially as you can announce to individual coaches so can manage the passenger seating arrangements without causing an on board scrum).

Only area that I feel will need watching /better signage is in Coach A around the flip down seats, it's for Bikes and they take priority, lots of commuters will aim for that area(needs a bike sign on the window like you see in Germany as in fairness the signage is low key).
 

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Hi,

Are the 397s in use on the Liverpool-Glasgow service yet I thought this was supposed to be 397s but I have seen 185s on this service when is this services going to be all 397 operated?

Luke
 

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Hi,

Are the 397s in use on the Liverpool-Glasgow service yet I thought this was supposed to be 397s but I have seen 185s on this service when is this services going to be all 397 operated?

Luke

It will be 185s not 397's for the foreseeable future.
 
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Luke McDonnell

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You mean 185s for the foreseeable future on this route is that because TPE are still awaiting the delivery of more 397s when are they expected to be all in service?

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Where are we up to on 397 diagrams- still just two daily, or are things starting to ramp up now?

Apologies in advance if this question's been answered recently!
 

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You mean 185s for the foreseeable future on this route is that because TPE are still awaiting the delivery of more 397s when are they expected to be all in service?

Luke

All 397s have been delivered and most have been accepted by the company.
 

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most have been accepted by the company.

Which ones have been accepted? Only 003/5/6/7/11 have operated in service as far as I can tell and the others aren't doing much.

Pieceing information together from various places - ie here, wnxx, scot-rail and Railcam data

397001 - not in service, last reported at Crewe, training runs in November / December
397002 - not in service, stored / static training at Polmadie
397003 - in service, worked 0905 MIA-GLC this morning
397004 - not in service, stored at Longsight
397005 - in service, worked 1105 GLC-MIA this morning
397006 - in service, worked from Preston to Crewe on Thursday
397007 - in service, worked on Friday
397008 - not in service - stored / static training at Polmadie since September
397009 - not in service - stored at Longtown - appeared to be testing in December
397010 - not in service - at Crewe?
397011 - in service - worked on Friday
397012 - not in service - currently testing on the WCML

Can someone confirm? Does that mean that all except 009/010/012 are accepted?
 
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Not sure what was up with the Seat Reservation system on 007, has been fine but wasn't on it last week.
011 had a wobble first day in service but generally been working ok on all.
All reservations are still being placed on Nova 2 by hand at Airport/Glasgow/Edinburgh in case the system fails short term so reservations should be on in duplicate for now.

Don't think last minute reservations allowed as yet until diagrams confirmed as a certainty.

Re: boarding, no noticeable difference at WCML stations if unit the correct way round (Coach A leading Northbound)as platform staff get more familiar where unit stops/coaches are so helping customers pre arrival.

PICC is PICC, no amount of persuasion will get people to move to use all the doors. Once commuters for preston get used to the trains running in service/formation that will help at Picc for boarding on the 16:26/17:26 & 18:26 as they'll be stood near where the doors are/unreserved and quieter reserved coaches.
Once boarded if crammed the guard should use the cameras/PA to manage the train(especially as you can announce to individual coaches so can manage the passenger seating arrangements without causing an on board scrum).

Only area that I feel will need watching /better signage is in Coach A around the flip down seats, it's for Bikes and they take priority, lots of commuters will aim for that area(needs a bike sign on the window like you see in Germany as in fairness the signage is low key).

TPE usually in my experience is the train can be either way around. Not good at P14 heading north.
 

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Which ones have been accepted? Only 003/5/6/7/11 have operated in service as far as I can tell and the others aren't doing much.

Pieceing information together from various places - ie here, wnxx, scot-rail and Railcam data

397001 - not in service, last reported at Crewe, training runs in November / December
397002 - not in service, stored / static training at Polmadie
397003 - in service, worked 0905 MIA-GLC this morning
397004 - not in service, stored at Longsight
397005 - in service, worked 1105 GLC-MIA this morning
397006 - in service, worked from Preston to Crewe on Thursday
397007 - in service, worked on Friday
397008 - not in service - stored / static training at Polmadie since September
397009 - not in service - stored at Longtown - appeared to be testing in December
397010 - not in service - at Crewe?
397011 - in service - worked on Friday
397012 - not in service - currently testing on the WCML

Can someone confirm? Does that mean that all except 009/010/012 are accepted?

397001 - Preston Croft Street for training.
397002 - Longsight.
397003 - In service.
397004 - Longsight.
397005 - In service/Polmadie training.
397006 - Available for service.
397007 - Available for service.
397008 - Polmadie for training.
397009 - Kingmoor.
397010 - Not been seen for a while.
397011 - Available for service.
397012 - Fault free running.

As far as I know 009, 010 and 012 are still to be accepted. The 9 accepted sets have all seen use by TPE in some capacity either in passenger service or crew training.
 

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TPE usually in my experience is the train can be either way around. Not good at P14 heading north.

On Nova 2 Coach E will be at the South end at all times where possible (they always face one direction at the moment so that should be easy to maintain once the set is turned for the first time).
 

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On Nova 2 Coach E will be at the South end at all times where possible (they always face one direction at the moment so that should be easy to maintain once the set is turned for the first time).

That sounds sensible. P14 staff can direct anyone with bikes to the end of the platform.
 

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On Nova 2 Coach E will be at the South end at all times where possible (they always face one direction at the moment so that should be easy to maintain once the set is turned for the first time).

*should

The end goal is to have a repeatable formation across all Nova units. Until a greater number of sets are in regular service, the primary focus is on getting the units out and in customer traffic, irrespective of formation. I'd expect this to be sporadic at least for the next two months.
 

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397001 - Preston Croft Street for training.
397002 - Longsight.
397003 - In service.
397004 - Longsight.
397005 - In service/Polmadie training.
397006 - Available for service.
397007 - Available for service.
397008 - Polmadie for training.
397009 - Kingmoor.
397010 - Not been seen for a while.
397011 - Available for service.
397012 - Fault free running.

As far as I know 009, 010 and 012 are still to be accepted. The 9 accepted sets have all seen use by TPE in some capacity either in passenger service or crew training.
With many TPE services been reinstated tomorrow (rest 17th on Feb) I'd assume we'll see more use now for these trains?
 

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With many TPE services been reinstated tomorrow (rest 17th on Feb) I'd assume we'll see more use now for these trains?

It is only Liverpool to Newcastle / Edinburgh where services have been cancelled and are being reinstated. The Manchester Airport to Scotland trains have continued to run so not quite sure why a link is supposed.

That is just a case of more 802s being used in service.
 

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It is only Liverpool to Newcastle / Edinburgh where services have been cancelled and are being reinstated. The Manchester Airport to Scotland trains have continued to run so not quite sure why a link is supposed.

That is just a case of more 802s being used in service.
Well it's been 15 months since the first Class 397 delivery and at least two since the last was delivered and a pathetic one or two in daily service so this is for sure the slowest introduction of any brand new train sadly.
 

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Well it's been 15 months since the first Class 397 delivery and at least two since the last was delivered and a pathetic one or two in daily service so this is for sure the slowest introduction of any brand new train sadly.

There were 3x397s parked up at Preston all day today.
Doing nothing but burning a hole in somebody's bank account.
There were still cancellations on the TPE WCML services today.
At least more 802s are in service today.
 

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*should

The end goal is to have a repeatable formation across all Nova units. Until a greater number of sets are in regular service, the primary focus is on getting the units out and in customer traffic, irrespective of formation. I'd expect this to be sporadic at least for the next two months.

Or 'where possible';)
Pretty sure of the ones in passenger use 003, 005, 006 & 011 all in formation so helping with boarding speeds already(007 was but not been on it for ages).
 

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So what works Edinburgh services , I know there is one booked 397 turn , are the rest 350s or 185s
 

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Well it's been 15 months since the first Class 397 delivery and at least two since the last was delivered and a pathetic one or two in daily service so this is for sure the slowest introduction of any brand new train sadly.
397s prob not the slowest intro of new trains as they seem to like to play with new trains for a while before training crews or letting the public loose on them.
How about the CAF mK5, CAF Scottish sleepers, CAF trains for Northern or the various Bombardia units for London.
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So what works Edinburgh services , I know there is one booked 397 turn , are the rest 350s or 185s

Depends day by day . I noticed the 1908 Glasgow to Manchester Air was a 185 last night , thats diagrammed a 397 , begs the question in the morning how they know how to out on 397 or a 185 , is it a short notice thing?
 

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Unless the plan changes before the 30th March, the two diagrams per day will remain until then, when it will increase to 8 per day.
 
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