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(Trivia) Signal boxes bordering the same box in different places

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I couldn't think of a snappier title!

So, when the Wherry Line resignalling is completed Saxmundham box will recieve trains at Westerfield from Ipswich panel of Colchester box then 50 odd miles later hand them over to Lowestoft panel of Colchester box at Oulton Broad South. Are there any other boxes that do a similar thing? That is border the "same" at distinctly separate geographic locations?

For avoidance of doubt this doesn't include examples where a train may run through a depot, controlled by a depot box then come out the other end to the same box.
 
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Basingstoke West of England panels control either side of an approx 30 mile section still under control of Salisbury?

More complicated is Basingstoke handing over to Eastleigh just past Worting Junction, and regains control of the Weymouth line at Poole, about 60 miles away. There are 2 ASCs on route, Eastleigh and Bournemouth, with Brockenhurst box between them...
 

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Trowse Swing Bridge after the same resignalling will border Colchester's Norwich panel and Brundall workstation. Although only being about 2 miles apart, this isn't very "geographically separate"!
 

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Trowse Swing Bridge after the same resignalling will border Colchester's Norwich panel and Brundall workstation. Although only being about 2 miles apart, this isn't very "geographically separate"!

That counts, hasn't thought of Trowse being put in the same situation!
 

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Manchester ROC would handle a train coming from Stalybridge (Man East SCC until just after Stalybridge if routed via Ashton) then hand over to Baguley Fold SB, then back to Manchester ROC, then Eccles and Astley SBs then back to Manchester ROC.

Until Edge Hill PSB was closed recently it would've been handed over to Edge Hill then back to Manchester ROC again for the final approach to Liverpool.
 

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As I understand it, and if I'm getting the question right, Stanley Jn now controls Pitlochry but Dunkeld still operates manually half way between the two points.
 

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If I remember correctly, Rugby ROC used to hand over control of the WCML to the older Rugby panel, then take control back again later. Someone with ready access to notes may be able to clarify whether it still does or ever did.
 

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If I remember correctly, Rugby ROC used to hand over control of the WCML to the older Rugby panel, then take control back again later. Someone with ready access to notes may be able to clarify whether it still does or ever did.

It doesn’t now, but did pre resignalling.

Plenty of other examples - eg Saltley ASC hands over to New St PSB for the station area and then takes it back near Smethwick.
 

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Any train going from London Bridge to Sutton via West Croydon will go from TBROC to TBASC back to TBROC and any train going from Norbury to Sutton will also go from TBROC to TBASC back to TBROC. Also if you really want to stretch it out, then any train going from London Victoria / London Bridge to Lewes/Seaford/Eastbourne will go from TBROC to TBASC back to TBROC.
 
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Coming through Piccadilly 13 and 14 you have the through platforms controlled by Picc, then Oxford Rd to Ordsall Lane is in the ROC and the Picc again heading north through Salford Crescent in either direction heading north.
 

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Westbury PSB now has 3 distinct fringes with the TVSC. Between Avoncliff and Bradford-on-Avon control passes to the TVSC Bath Workstation. On the Melksham single line at Lacock (between Melksham and Thingley) control passes to the TVSC Swindon Workstation. Between Heywood Road Junction and Lavington control passes to the TVSC Newbury Workstation. The 05:10 Bristol TM to London Paddington (weekdays only) via Westbury goes from TVSC to Westbury PSB to TVSC. Several freight trains (such as the 'Binliner' to Severnside SITA and the Theale to Robeston Murco tanks) do the same.
 

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Off the top of my head, Wakefield Kirkgate, Batley, Gas Wood, Selby West and Low Gates fringe to York ROC in more than one place.
 

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Manchester ROC would handle a train coming from Stalybridge (Man East SCC until just after Stalybridge if routed via Ashton) then hand over to Baguley Fold SB, then back to Manchester ROC, then Eccles and Astley SBs then back to Manchester ROC.

Until Edge Hill PSB was closed recently it would've been handed over to Edge Hill then back to Manchester ROC again for the final approach to Liverpool.
After Astley, doesn't signalling come under the control of Warrington PSB before going back to the Manchester ROC at some point after Earlestown? I suppose it doesn't make any difference to the number of switches between the ROC and other boxes though :)
 

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Until the severing of the GW line through Park Royal, two of Greenfords fringes were with TVSC (and Slough IECC before that)
 

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On a slightly different note, I'm struggling to think of a better run of handovers than this... think of a service from Huddersfield to Hull:

York ROC Huddersfield
Batley SB
York ROC Leeds
Gascoign Wood SB
York ROC York South
Selby SB
York ROC Brough
Hessle Road SB
Hull Paragon SB
 

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After Astley, doesn't signalling come under the control of Warrington PSB before going back to the Manchester ROC at some point after Earlestown? I suppose it doesn't make any difference to the number of switches between the ROC and other boxes though :)
It does, sorry - senior moment!
 

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As I understand it, and if I'm getting the question right, Stanley Jn now controls Pitlochry but Dunkeld still operates manually half way between the two points.

Think the HML signalling is now:

Perth - Stanley Track Circuit Block
Stanley - Dunkeld Tokenless Block
Dunkeld - Pitlochry Track Circuit Block. Pitlochry controlled from Stanley
Pitlochry - Blair Atholl Track Circuit Block. Pitlochry controlled from Stanley.
Blair Atholl - Dalwhinnie Absolute Block
Dalwhinnie - Kingussie Tokenless Block
Then from Kingussie to Inverness it is all TCB controlled from Inverness Panel
 
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