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JumpinTrainz

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Honestly i wouldn't be too surprised if once the new Hydrogens arrive the cascaded Geminis get used to replace E500s on non 1/2 duties allowing the E500s to be fully allocated to the 1/2. The interiors are quite tidy on them, they just need a retrim.

It would be nice to see them get a refurb like Glasgow’s B9TLs with new flooring, freshly painted grab pole, USB charging ports and leather seating. I’m also excited to see how they look in the new Aberdeen livery. I think they’ll majorly suit it!
 
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It would be nice to see them get a refurb like Glasgow’s B9TLs with new flooring, freshly painted grab pole, USB charging ports and leather seating. I’m also excited to see how they look in the new Aberdeen livery. I think they’ll majorly suit it!

Being totally honest i wouldn't bother with the floor. Unlike many newer vehicles the floors on them don't have any ground in dirty and still look like new. Besides the seats and a few bits of trim the interiors on them are still in great condition for 11 year old vehicles.

A deep clean, retrim, fitting of USB ports, fresh paint on the grab rails would be perfect. I don't see much point replacing the floor, it's just a unnecessary expense that would be better being allocated to replacing the floors on the E300s and Streetlites which actually need it.

Here's a few photos to show what i mean regarding the floors and interior in general still being fairly tidy, it's only the seat covers that let them down.
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Surely Aberdeen are due a new order! They haven’t had any new stock since the small batch of E200MMCs in 2015. Some new singles could help wipe out the elderly B10BLEs once and for all.

Up to 'potentially' 30 new Hydrogen Deckers may be in service by the end of the year, 15 of these are already secured/ordered with the first 7 due in March.

62167/78 have only been reinstated due to a increase in PVR with the new 9U and Union Terrace Closure.
 

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Up to 'potentially' 30 new Hydrogen Deckers may be in service by the end of the year, 15 of these are already secured/ordered with the first 7 due in March.

62167/78 have only been reinstated due to a increase in PVR with the new 9U and Union Terrace Closure.

Well that’s promising! It’s good to see Aberdeen get some investment!

I wonder if they’ll come in the new Aberdeen colours or if they’ll adapt the livery to advertise the whole Hydrogen bus.
 

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Quite a number of changes have happened already in 2020 including some Profiles and Renowns being reinstated along with a number of repaints. So here's a update to the fleetlist. (Note the summary below includes Dec 2019 changes). Repaints are now happening at a rate of roughly at least 1 per week so we should see a fairly consistent flow of vehicles appearing in the new livery now, currently the E300s are the main focus.

First Aberdeen Fleet List & Fleet Card (23rd January 2020)...

Fleet changes up to January 2020
20353: Withdrawn to Prep For Service / Reserve
20354: Withdrawn to Prep For Service / Reserve
20360: Transferred to First Kernow
20374: Withdrawn to Prep For Service / Reserve
23402: Transferred to First Kernow
62165: Donated to Scottish Fire & Rescue Service
62167: Withdrawn to In Service
62178: Withdrawn to In Service
64994: In Service to Withdrawn / In Storage at King Street Depot. (Reasons unknown).
64995: In Service to Withdrawn / In Storage at King Street Depot. (Reasons unknown).
64996: In Service to Withdrawn / In Storage at King Street Depot. (Reasons unknown).
64997: In Service to Withdrawn / In Storage at King Street Depot. (Reasons unknown).
67796: Repaint from Olympia to First Aberdeen Green Livery
67798: Repaint from Olympia to First Aberdeen Green Livery
67799: Repaint from Olympia to First Aberdeen Green Livery
67800: Repaint from Olympia to First Aberdeen Green Livery
67801: Repaint from Olympia to First Aberdeen Green Livery
67802 Repaint from Olympia to First Aberdeen Green Livery
67804: Repaint from Olympia to First Aberdeen Green Livery
68559: Joined fleet from Worcester. Repainted in to First Student Yellow livery
69254: Repaint from Barbie 3 to First Aberdeen Green Livery
 

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Aberdeen hydrogen bus trial at its ‘natural end’

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/hydrogen-bus-trial-at-its-natural-end/

Aberdeen hydrogen bus trial at its ‘natural end’
by David Walker
25/01/2020, 1:18 pm
Aberdeen’s hydrogen buses have been taken off the road, marking the end of the first phase of the programme.

The demonstration project, funded by the EU, was launched five years ago.

The 10 vehicles were operated by First Aberdeen and Stagecoach over the course of the scheme, which was launched in a bid to reduce the city’s carbon footprint.

It included the UK’s first hydrogen production and bus refuelling station at Kittybrewster, and last year, councillors spoke of plans to create a “hydrogen valley” in the city.

The ground-breaking scheme, which attracted delegations from all over the world, has been hailed a success by Aberdeen City Council’s hydrogen spokesman Philip Bell.

He said: “The hydrogen bus project is a crucial part of demonstrating energy transition, the net zero journey and bringing our CO2 emissions in the city down.


“The project was phenomenally successful and has given Aberdeen a mature platform seen by the world.

“First Bus will operate the new fleet of next generation 15 double-decker buses later this year. These will be the first hydrogen-fuelled double-decker buses in the world.”

The buses will undergo general maintenance ahead of the rollout of phase two later this year.

An Aberdeen City Council spokeswoman said: “The project has exceeded its objectives and driven more miles in commercial operation than any other hydrogen fuel cell bus project to date in Europe.

“We are looking forward to working in partnership with First Aberdeen to deliver an exciting second phase of the project, which will see a world’s first in 15 zero-emission double-decker hydrogen buses, coming to the city later this year.”


First Aberdeen operations director David Phillips said: “The first phase of the Hydrogen Project has come to its natural end and we have taken learnings from that project forward into the next one.

“We are now fully engaged and working in partnership with Aberdeen City to deliver an exciting second phase of the project.”

Stagecoach declined to comment.
 

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Streetlite in Aberdeen colours looks very smart. They suit the new livery being Wright vehicles. I think they suit it more than even the ADL stock.
 

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Has a Streetlite been repainted into the new First Aberdeen scheme now? Up to now they'd been concentrating on the E300s during 2020.
 

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Has a Streetlite been repainted into the new First Aberdeen scheme now? Up to now they'd been concentrating on the E300s during 2020.

Yes 63203 returned last week with 69134 now being done. As such the full list of repainted buses is as follows

37636
63203
67783
67796
67798
67799
67800
67801
67802
67804
69124
69134
69254
69258
69282
69284
69290
69294
 

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Is there a photo of the StreetLite?

There was a photo but I can’t seem to find it. The Streetlites suit the new livery though.

I noticed a platinum branded B7RLE in the shed at Caledonia. I hope they do an E500 soon enough.
 

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Is there a photo of the StreetLite?

There was one but it has since been removed... I'll PM you.

There was a photo but I can’t seem to find it. The Streetlites suit the new livery though.

I noticed a platinum branded B7RLE in the shed at Caledonia. I hope they do an E500 soon enough.

I assume it was removed because you could see the fire damaged E400 in the background.

The Platinum B7RLE will be 69134, as mentioned above it's currently down. 38210 was sent down late last year after being reinstated however it's coolant pipe burst at Laurencekirk so a E300 was sent instead. I suspect the E500s will be further down the priority list as they generally are still externally quite tidy compared to other vehicles in the fleet.
 

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I think 38223 has donated some body parts to keep some of the others running. If it is reinstated, it could well be the first to be repainted.
 

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Service changes are due to be announced at some point this week. It appears the changes will only be to the 1/1B/2, X27 and a New Service X1.

PM0000631/12 Registered
FIRST ABERDEEN LTD
Route: Danestone or Ashwood or St Machar Dr/ Broad Streetgg to Garthdee via Braehead, Scotstown, North Doinside Road, Castle Street, Auchinyell Bridge, Bridge of Dee, Auchinyell
Service number: 1 (1B, 2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Mar 2020

PM0000631/218 Registered
FIRST ABERDEEN LTD
Route: Dyce Railway Station to Aberdeen Guild Street via P & J Live Arena, Hilton, Kirkhill Industrial Estate
Service number: X27
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 29 Mar 2020

PM0000631/223 Registered
FIRST ABERDEEN LTD
Route: Guild Street, Aberdeen to Robert Gordon University Campus via Union Street, Holburn Street
Service number: X1
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Mar 2020
 

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X27 is a complete waste of time. Every single one I've seen has had zero passengers.
 

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What puzzles me is why it doesn’t run past the terminal seeing as it runs along the roundabout prior to the drop off zone. I don’t know if it would generate much in the way of extra passengers but reinstating the link between the terminal and rail station wouldn’t be a bad thing. I’m honestly not sure how viable the service is in the current guise.
 

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X27 is a complete waste of time. Every single one I've seen has had zero passengers.
What puzzles me is why it doesn’t run past the terminal seeing as it runs along the roundabout prior to the drop off zone. I don’t know if it would generate much in the way of extra passengers but reinstating the link between the terminal and rail station wouldn’t be a bad thing. I’m honestly not sure how viable the service is in the current guise.

The X27 is really annoying me as it's a great idea poorly executed.

I feel like i've said this 5,000 times but what they need to do is...
  • Renumber to 27 (no need for it to be an Express)
  • Divert to serve Airport Terminal (for rail passengers).
  • Remove limited stop arrangements
  • Divert via Cornhill Road / Ashgrove Road West.
  • Reroute at the city end to operate Westburn Drive > Craigie Loanings > Holburn Junction > Union Street > Broad Street > Loch Street > Skene Square > Westburn Road > Westburn Drive. - This would allow it to serve the correct stops for Dyce/Bucksburn/Airport bound buses.
  • The other thing they've failed at is Marketing and partnerships with businesses. If it were done properly they could've had ticketing agreements with Scotrail by now. The amount of people who get the taxi from Dyce to the Airport/Heliports because they don't know the X27 exists is unbelievable.
The service is clearly making a huge loss (these service changes are meant to help fix that....), however as i say it's not really the route that's the big issue, it's the execution. So many potential links have been missed the main ones that come to mind are Hilton to ARI, Cornhill to City Centre and Airport to Rail Station.
 

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I cannot disagree with you there. It’s one of these services that if done right, would be a success. I’d like to see some joined up thinking between the airport, heliports, First and Scotrail, may well lead to something working.

Marketing does work, the 727 is a phenomenal success especially when it was previously thought there was never demand for an airport bus (which was never helped by the old haphazard 27!) so I think X27 has a potential as a viable alternative.
 

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I cannot disagree with you there. It’s one of these services that if done right, would be a success. I’d like to see some joined up thinking between the airport, heliports, First and Scotrail, may well lead to something working.

Marketing does work, the 727 is a phenomenal success especially when it was previously thought there was never demand for an airport bus (which was never helped by the old haphazard 27!) so I think X27 has a potential as a viable alternative.

Exactly. However it should be remembered that prior to the 727 Stagecoach actually served the Airport on a higher 20 minute frequency with the 10/737. The 10/737 got replaced by the short lived 220/224 before the 224 was axed and the buses saved were used to launch the half hourly 727. Additionally the 727 was and still is part subsidised. The reason the 727 grew so much is down to a combination of factors. However the main ones are marketing and timing as the area around the Airport has expanded significantly in recent times.

The issue with the old 27 is that it was more aimed at workers rather than airport passengers. Likewise with the 16 the reason it failed is because it was just a slower 727 that served the disused carpark at Craibstone (which Stagecoach are away to pull all services from...)

The X27 on the other hand is a great idea that could work, but probably won't because First refuse to put in the money and effort to grow and attract passengers. Plus there's some very minor issues with the routing that means it fails to serve key locations such as ARI, Airport Terminal and NHV Helicopters.

When Stagecoach ran the Dyce Airlink 80 they ended up having to use the Triaxle Omnilink on it because the Versas had capacity issues at certain times of day.
 

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Quite a number of changes have happened already in 2020 including some Profiles and Renowns being reinstated along with a number of repaints. So here's a update to the fleetlist. (Note the summary below includes Dec 2019 changes). Repaints are now happening at a rate of roughly at least 1 per week so we should see a fairly consistent flow of vehicles appearing in the new livery now, currently the E300s are the main focus.

First Aberdeen Fleet List & Fleet Card (23rd January 2020)...
69254 drove it brand new out the rapper @ L. W who would have thought it would end up there with a new paint job.Do you have any pics? My favourite two ex Aberdeen B10Ble's were 62204/5 or was it 62224/5 absolute treat to drive. Extremely smooth and rapid!!
 
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Exactly. However it should be remembered that prior to the 727 Stagecoach actually served the Airport on a higher 20 minute frequency with the 10/737. The 10/737 got replaced by the short lived 220/224 before the 224 was axed and the buses saved were used to launch the half hourly 727. Additionally the 727 was and still is part subsidised. The reason the 727 grew so much is down to a combination of factors. However the main ones are marketing and timing as the area around the Airport has expanded significantly in recent times.

The issue with the old 27 is that it was more aimed at workers rather than airport passengers. Likewise with the 16 the reason it failed is because it was just a slower 727 that served the disused carpark at Craibstone (which Stagecoach are away to pull all services from...)

The X27 on the other hand is a great idea that could work, but probably won't because First refuse to put in the money and effort to grow and attract passengers. Plus there's some very minor issues with the routing that means it fails to serve key locations such as ARI, Airport Terminal and NHV Helicopters.

When Stagecoach ran the Dyce Airlink 80 they ended up having to use the Triaxle Omnilink on it because the Versas had capacity issues at certain times of day.

To be honest, I didn’t know that there was a previous Stagecoach service to the airport. But it is good to see that the 727 is a success. I miss living in Mugiemoss as it was a great way to get into town! Still saddened that the 747 is going as I live in Ellon and work at the airport (though I no longer use it as the service pattern only works for my night shifts, gets in too early for dayshift and I finish too late on a lateshift!) but the lack of patronage has killed it.

That is true about the 27’s service pattern. I recall using it once only as it happened to coincide with a flight time. Talking of Craibstone, I wonder what will become of it now, can’t see the operators touching it now...
 

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69254 drove it brand new out the rapper @ L. W who would have thought it would end up there with a new paint job.Do you have any pics? My favourite two ex Aberdeen B10Ble's were 62204/5 or was it 62224/5 absolute treat to drive. Extremely smooth and rapid!!

Still to be finished off but here's a photo (not mine) of it last month, it's easily one of the better Ex-FSE B7RLEs we have.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/142814434@N05/49384010477

62204 is a Wright Renown, 62205 and 62224/225 are ALX300s if that helps? 62204 was brilliant by far the best heating of any bus i've been on, plus it had that classic 90s Volvo smell. I can't recall most of the ALX300s as well, however in general while not as refined as the Renowns they were pretty solid reliable workhorses that rarely failed. Although by far the best examples in the W-RFS batch were the P&R branded ones (62170-72/74-76).

To be honest, I didn’t know that there was a previous Stagecoach service to the airport. But it is good to see that the 727 is a success. I miss living in Mugiemoss as it was a great way to get into town! Still saddened that the 747 is going as I live in Ellon and work at the airport (though I no longer use it as the service pattern only works for my night shifts, gets in too early for dayshift and I finish too late on a lateshift!) but the lack of patronage has killed it.

That is true about the 27’s service pattern. I recall using it once only as it happened to coincide with a flight time. Talking of Craibstone, I wonder what will become of it now, can’t see the operators touching it now...


I risk veering off topic here but as it relates to the First 16, 27, X27 and Aberdeen Airport services i doubt anyone will have an issue.

The old 10/307/737 set up was part funded. However you had the 10 departing a 00 past the hour, 307 at 10/30/50 past the hour and the 737 at 20/40 past the hour. The 10/737 operating via the Airport then direct along the A96 to Inverurie, with the 307 going via the current 37 route (albeit via Berryden). 10/737 combined offered a 20 minute frequency to the Airport, while the 10/307/737 combined offered a 10 minute frequency to Inverurie (mad to think of today...). In the evening the 307 went via the Airport so combined with the 10 there was a 30 minute frequency.

In April 2009 the 737 was reduced to just a evening service, while the 307 was increased to every 15 minutes. The buses saved were then used to reroute the 220 via the Airport and launch the new Service 224 (Aberdeen - Berryden - Airport - Blackburn (went up via Tradlin Circle) - Kintore Post Office (via Forest Road). The 220/224 operated hourly each offering a half hourly frequency to the Airport with the 10/737 operating via the Airport in the early morning and evening when the 220/224 did not operate.

Lastly in August 2010 the 224/737 were axed, while the 10 stopped serving the Airport, the buses saved (3 in total) were then reallocated to Aberdeen for the launch of the JET727. The 220 continued to serve the Airport and offered a direct connection at Blackburn with the 10 for Inverurie and beyond (220 still offering the link to Kintore). The 727 got a batch of 3 new Versas at the end of 2010, a 4th joined the fleet in 2012 to coincide with the frequency increase to every 20 minutes, due to reliability issues another was delivered in 2013 with the final two arriving at the start of 2014 to coincide with frequency increase to every 10 minutes. In 2016 the route was converted to E400MMC operation and all stops along the route were served. Prior to 2016 the 727 was limited stop between Gallowgate and Four Mile Inn, as such the route now takes around 10 minutes longer than it did 5 years ago.

That's been the big issue with the 747, it's too infrequent. Most Airport passengers want convenience, do we really expect people to catch a 82/83/84 to Peterhead Town Centre, 60 to Ellon and then hop on the 747. When for a few pounds extra you can get a taxi (could work out cheaper if you're in a group), and you wouldn't need to trail your luggage about. The 747 only really works for a small number of oil passengers and Kirkhill commuters. For the 747 to work they should've had it operate Stonehaven-Peterhead, another big complaint has been the use of unreliabile buses that struggle up AWPR. In hindsight they should've kept some of the B7Rs and repainted/refurbished them for the route, 53335 was until recently on the 747 regularly and worked well (tends to be on the 60/63 more these days).

Regarding the 27, it's main flaw was the slow routing (the 10/737 took about half the time) and it failing to adapt. The reason it worked in the 80s/90s/00s is because it was primarily a commuter service, it linked the industrial estates, airport and oil company offices on Anderson Drive and along Queens Road. However with automation (less employees needed at those offices) and the oil downturn much of the office workers either lost their job or the offices moved location. There was demand towards the end, but only because of the workers at Kirkhill (the 117 which replaced the 27 was far more situated to their needs, as is the X27).

Craibstone's only real use is as a overspill carpark for TECA, other than that it's entirely redundant and the one of the biggest white elephants in the city in recent times. Official data shows there's an average of 7 cars per day, however out of the many many times i've been there you'd be lucky to see more than 4 cars! Out of all the P&R sites in Aberdeen/shire only Kingswells and Ellon are doing well, the rest are all really poor and on a downturn. At one point in 2018 Bridge Of Don was down to just 35 cars per day (it's now up). Since the X17 started serving Kingswells numbers have risen there too, they should hopefully continue to rise with the new 4/5/6.
 

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