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Passenger Vs social media staff when Guard didn't appear to issue tickets on a Northern train

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adamello

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No sooner had I posted when a full ticket check room place. Railcard included.

No one is saying you HAVE to use data/storage/power, or calling anyone a fare evader. The option is there to buy mobile tickets. Or use a TVM, a staffed office or get a promise to pay. All I’m saying is that there are multiple options for buying tickets, the “closed office, broken TVM” isn’t necessarily valid.
The guy drew Northern’a attention to the fact that he had travelled twice that day without paying. He do don’t say anything about a promise to pay. In fairness the tone of the tweet implies he would pay if challenged.

His twitter timeline suggests he's awkward as possible toward the railway, complaining that when he was once able to get to a guard, had to pay a full fair.
 
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Talk of a Promise to Pay is irrelevant; it doesn't actually create an opportunity to pay!
.... All I’m saying is that there are multiple options for buying tickets, the “closed office, broken TVM” isn’t necessarily valid....
It is valid.
The guy who sent the tweet presumably did so from his mobile. No excuses for him not to have a valid ticket, really.
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This seems to suggest Stockport to Manchester.
There's a lot I can't stand about Northern, but I'm with them on this:
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Mrs. Fortescue

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Read his tweets, he's a lovely, caring individual. Well overdue for an unfortunate collision with a bus or similar.

wishing that sort of accident on someone because they’re dodging a rare?

Reflects a lot more poorly on you than it does him.
 

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wishing that sort of accident on someone because they’re dodging a rare?

Reflects a lot more poorly on you than it does him.
When a "pay when challenged" internet troll comes undone and has a rant it's those like you who take moral high ground who are reflected worst.... That's why society is the mess it is.
 

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wishing that sort of accident on someone because they’re dodging a rare?

Reflects a lot more poorly on you than it does him.

Far from it - I read the whole balance of his output for some time and came to the opinion that based on the whole spectrum he is an unpleasant brattish character whom I'd be quite happy to never have the misfortune to meet face to face.
 

Mrs. Fortescue

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Far from it - I read the whole balance of his output for some time and came to the opinion that based on the whole spectrum he is an unpleasant brattish character whom I'd be quite happy to never have the misfortune to meet face to face.

and having seen you wish a severe injury/worse on a person, I’d be quite happy to never have the misfortune to meet you face to face either.
 

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and having seen you wish a severe injury/worse on a person, I’d be quite happy to never have the misfortune to meet you face to face either.

The feeling is entirely mutual, I'm pleased to say - so all is well that ends well :smile:
 

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So far this week on Northern I've experienced a fairly standard ticket check, several 'anyone needing tickets', radio silence (surprisingly that was Wakefield Kirkgate to Sheffield which I usually find pretty hot on ticket checks!) and even a guard advising passengers to have tickets ready whilst they walked down the train to start the inspection at the opposite end to usual to upset any passengers who banked on the trick of sitting as far away as possible :D

I even had one guard who insisted my season ticket was out of date because it expires in December 2020, it took them a rather long time to click it was the year 2020 this year and not 2019!
 

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The guy just comes across as your typical twitter troll. He may on several occasions had good reason to board a train without a ticket, but that isn't really the point since he appears to take equal pleasure in complaining/gloating about the lack of ticket purchasing facilities, not paying at all, being challenged by guards/revenue staff and to top it off he wishes for people to loose their jobs. A thoroughly pleasant individual who would probably take issue if Northern gave him a million pounds and a brand new car. :lol:
 

andrewbowden

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Surprising how all these people still don’t have mobile phones capable of buying tickets.

Not all tickets are available on mobile. For example, I usually need a combined train/Metrolink ticket. There's no mobile app that will sell me that ticket. I can buy a mobile Metrolink ticket in the Get Me There app. I can buy a mobile Northern ticket in the Northern app. But no app can sell me the single ticket.

For some journeys mobile tickets are a complete impossibility.
 

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Not all tickets are available on mobile. For example, I usually need a combined train/Metrolink ticket. There's no mobile app that will sell me that ticket. I can buy a mobile Metrolink ticket in the Get Me There app. I can buy a mobile Northern ticket in the Northern app. But no app can sell me the single ticket.

For some journeys mobile tickets are a complete impossibility.
I was unaware that you could buy a combined train/Metrolink ticket at all (at least from Stafford). They certainly do not seem to be available on the NRES website. Can they be bought from ticket offices ? Or perhaps Northern TVMs ?
 

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I was unaware that you could buy a combined train/Metrolink ticket at all (at least from Stafford). They certainly do not seem to be available on the NRES website. Can they be bought from ticket offices ? Or perhaps Northern TVMs ?

They've been available since the launch of Metrolink. But only available from the Greater Manchester travelcard area (Greater Manchester plus a few stations over the border like Glossop and New Mills.)
https://tfgm.com/tickets-and-passes/combination-train-and-tram-day-return-adult

So you can get one from Stockport but not Stafford

Available at ticket offices, onboard, and at Metrolink ticket machines. Absolutely no idea whether they're on the Northern flatscreen monsters as I avoid them like the plague, but I suspect not.

The savings vary. But a one day Stockport to Metrolink Zone 1-2 as a combined ticket will save you £2.40
 

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I was unaware that you could buy a combined train/Metrolink ticket at all (at least from Stafford). They certainly do not seem to be available on the NRES website. Can they be bought from ticket offices ? Or perhaps Northern TVMs ?

Tickets for travel in (Manchester) Metrolink Zone 1 (formerly Central Zone) are a free add-on to any rail ticket starting in the Greater Manchester rail area and result in "Manchester Central Zone" being the destination station.

More information at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_station_group
and I buy mine using the Northern App' just specifying Manchester Piccadilly as my destination results in a "Central Zone" ticket which is good for a single or return tram ride.
 

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They've been available since the launch of Metrolink. But only available from the Greater Manchester travelcard area (Greater Manchester plus a few stations over the border like Glossop and New Mills.)
https://tfgm.com/tickets-and-passes/combination-train-and-tram-day-return-adult

So you can get one from Stockport but not Stafford

Available at ticket offices, onboard, and at Metrolink ticket machines. Absolutely no idea whether they're on the Northern flatscreen monsters as I avoid them like the plague, but I suspect not.

The savings vary. But a one day Stockport to Metrolink Zone 1-2 as a combined ticket will save you £2.40

Tickets for travel in (Manchester) Metrolink Zone 1 (formerly Central Zone) are a free add-on to any rail ticket starting in the Greater Manchester rail area and result in "Manchester Central Zone" being the destination station.

More information at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_station_group
and I buy mine using the Northern App' just specifying Manchester Piccadilly as my destination results in a "Central Zone" ticket which is good for a single or return tram ride.

Thanks for the replies. I can see now why the combined tickets are restricted to the TFGM area as they are dependent on existence of Manchester Railzones when buying from a Metrolink TVM. Would be impossibly complicated if covering the rest of the country.

And apologies to others for going off-topic.
 
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