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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

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Yep, and they probably put it to bed on King Street depot too for good measure then maybe taxi back to Preston or straight to BPN. Leeds drivers don't sign King Street but Blackpool still do as far as I know.
I believe it is Blackpool crew who take the last unit onto King Street and taxi back to Blackpool unless things have chanced. Vice versa in a morning too. Was something to do with Blackburn crew not signing 158s until very recently but I think they are being trained on them now.
 
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So far as I know no clearance work for 195s has been done via Darwen or up to Clitheroe so that definitely kills that one off (for now). In addition too (as mentioned above) that no one at Blackburn signs them either.

I'm waiting to see if a huge order of 195s goes in for 150 replacement in the not too distant future.
 

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So far as I know no clearance work for 195s has been done via Darwen or up to Clitheroe so that definitely kills that one off (for now). In addition too (as mentioned above) that no one at Blackburn signs them either.

I'm waiting to see if a huge order of 195s goes in for 150 replacement in the not too distant future.
One would hope once bitten, twice shy ...
 

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195 currently failed at Littleborough with a compressor issue. Suspect it's a two car set as three car sets have two compressors.
 

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Seen a lot of 3-car 195s coming out of Lincoln the last week or so. Has the Lincoln-Sheffield-Leeds line been set for three or two cars or is everything still a bit up in the air?
 

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Seen a lot of 3-car 195s coming out of Lincoln the last week or so. Has the Lincoln-Sheffield-Leeds line been set for three or two cars or is everything still a bit up in the air?
i think the 3 car 195 is the driver trainer from worksop ,2 cars are the norm on the leeds-Lincoln/Nottingham service at the moment (maybe 3 car sets might be regular in the future when all the units are in service)
 

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3 cars on Nottinghams will be rarity as they often share a short platform with an EMR service and running longer than 2 would put the total over length. Currently EMR tend to be the guilty party trying to run a service over length into platform 4 behind the Northern service, but it has on occasion been a Northern 3 car.
 

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195 currently failed at Littleborough with a compressor issue. Suspect it's a two car set as three car sets have two compressors.

Was always going to be a concern. How many compressors do 150s 156 158s etc have?

Do I remember a BR fleet that was fitted with an extra compressors to reduce the risk of total failure?
 

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Was always going to be a concern. How many compressors do 150s 156 158s etc have?

Do I remember a BR fleet that was fitted with an extra compressors to reduce the risk of total failure?

150s and 158s (and I assume 156s) have one compressor per car. You may have been thinking of 153s, which also have one compressor but have two brake control units for added redundancy?

The situation with the 195s whilst not ideal, is also not new. 175s, both two car and three car, have only one compressor per unit. If it fails.....
 

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Yes all Sprinters have one compressor per vehicle, and they are engine-driven rather than fed by an electrical power supply as they are on 175/180/185/195s etc. 180s have two compressors per unit IIRC.
 

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Voyagers/Meridians have no compressor in the driving cars, hence the odd situation of the two 221(?) driving cars that could only be used for driver training for a time.
 

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Voyagers/Meridians have no compressor in the driving cars, hence the odd situation of the two 221(?) driving cars that could only be used for driver training for a time.
Even odder when you consider that a two-car 221 is, by definition, a compressed Voyager! ;)
 

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Got the 1531 from a Hebden Bridge to Halifax today.

It was a 3 car 195.

It announced that not all doors would open at Halifax as the train was too long (!).

The onboard signs disagreed about which side the platform would be on.

Not terribly impressive.
 
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The rate of fixing issues on the CAF units is staggeringly slow, there are things that have been serious problems for over a year now and . Haare untouched.

For some reason Halifax shows up on the Asdo screen on approach as though it doesn't have a defined side on which the doors might open. In the up direction that can only ever be on the right coming from Bradford. I drove a 195 back from Leeds that way recently and I'm fairly sure I heard the PA (through the cab door so muffled) announce the short platform spiel at Halifax and again at Hebden Bridge.
 

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The rate of fixing issues on the CAF units is staggeringly slow, there are things that have been serious problems for over a year now and . Haare untouched.

For some reason Halifax shows up on the Asdo screen on approach as though it doesn't have a defined side on which the doors might open. In the up direction that can only ever be on the right coming from Bradford. I drove a 195 back from Leeds that way recently and I'm fairly sure I heard the PA (through the cab door so muffled) announce the short platform spiel at Halifax and again at Hebden Bridge.

I travelled from Todmorden to Halifax and back last night, on a 2-car and 3-car 195 respectively. I didn't notice an issue when alighting at Halifax, although I was in conversation with a friend so wasn't paying much attention, but we definitely got the short platform announcement at Hebden Bridge on the return journey.
 

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The rate of fixing issues on the CAF units is staggeringly slow, there are things that have been serious problems for over a year now and . Haare untouched.

For some reason Halifax shows up on the Asdo screen on approach as though it doesn't have a defined side on which the doors might open. In the up direction that can only ever be on the right coming from Bradford. I drove a 195 back from Leeds that way recently and I'm fairly sure I heard the PA (through the cab door so muffled) announce the short platform spiel at Halifax and again at Hebden Bridge.
It does it at almost constantly at Halifax and Hebden Bridge, occasionally at Sowerby Bridge, Bradford Interchange, Manchester Victoria and Leeds as well....
 

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It does it at almost constantly at Halifax and Hebden Bridge, occasionally at Sowerby Bridge, Bradford Interchange, Manchester Victoria and Leeds as well....
When I travelled from Victoria to Leeds last week, there were short platform announcements approaching Hebden Bridge and Halifax, though not anywhere else. Once platformed, there were no further announcements to say which doors to use.
 

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Correct, but well within expectations. It typically takes 2 to 5 years for new trains to exceed the reliability figures of those they replace. In the case of Pacers it may be a little sooner since they were less reliable than the average DMU, but not by much.

They're not within the expectations from Northern telling us how good these new trains would be.
 

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Correct, but well within expectations. It typically takes 2 to 5 years for new trains to exceed the reliability figures of those they replace. In the case of Pacers it may be a little sooner since they were less reliable than the average DMU, but not by much.

So why did the 185s hit the ground running on reliability as soon as they entered service?
 

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The rate of fixing issues on the CAF units is staggeringly slow, there are things that have been serious problems for over a year now and . Haare untouched.

For some reason Halifax shows up on the Asdo screen on approach as though it doesn't have a defined side on which the doors might open. In the up direction that can only ever be on the right coming from Bradford. I drove a 195 back from Leeds that way recently and I'm fairly sure I heard the PA (through the cab door so muffled) announce the short platform spiel at Halifax and again at Hebden Bridge.

What do we know? The ASDO system can be entirely programmed when the direction of travel is guaranteed. You'll know full well from your route knowledge that a service from the Manchester direction can depart from either platform at Halifax, as such it will always be a selectable station. Equally Hebden Bridge has a turnback facility which means the station can never be listed as having guaranteed departure platforms and so requires the guard to select them.
 

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Does that mean the issue is staff not inputting the route to the system? If so why is that allowed?
 
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