He was asked if there was a hurricane, there wasn't. Didn't really drop much, did he?
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Weather Disruption caused by storm Ciara (February 9th, 10th and 11th)
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He was asked if there was a hurricane, there wasn't. Didn't really drop much, did he?
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Wind speeds need to be in excess of 100mph before Network Rail High Speed will impose a speed restriction on the line. It is not so much that the OLE is 'better' than what exists elsewhere, it's that it is of a different construction to support high speed running on the route.
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A lot of the problems are actually caused by inconsiderate twits not tying down lightweight garden equipment that then ends up either on the line or tangled in the overheads... maybe some of the ire on here should be aimed in there direction!
But I doubt it will.
But I doubt it will.
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Yes its disgusting that they are putting the safety of passengers and staff ahead of a spotters day out.
Actually I’m thinking of those passengers, some of them would’ve paid hundreds of pounds. It’s like the railways have a death wish, this type of behaviour only pushes people into their cars...
I suspect driving will be pretty challenging tomorrow and, quite likely, hazardous.
It looks like it's going to be a shocker tomorrow. Unless really, really, really necessary stay at home. Or travel earlier or later.
I've been in charge of a train that crashed into a large tree. It's no fun. Then people moan because you short form trains for weeks because your smashed up train is out of service awaiting repair.
Special TT for TPE tomorrow due to engineering work across the network. Additional changes due to the weather.
Check any trains before travel, but the general service plan is as follows:
Hourly services across:
LIV – MIA via Chat Moss
MAN - HUL
MAN - YRK (in place of MIA - RCC service)
MAN - YRK (in place of MIA - NCL service)
YRK - SCA
YRK - RCC
MAN - HUD: stopping service extended to SHF
CLE – DON shuttle
Two hourly service across:
EBD - YRK
EBD - MAN
Not sure on the LIV - GLC and MIA - GLC routes.
Advice is not to travel as engineering work has already wiped out most other TOCs services on some of these routes. Ticket restrictions lifted for Sunday and tickets valid for travel on Monday.
Check any trains before travel, but the general service plan is as follows:
Hourly services across:
LIV – MIA via Chat Moss
MAN - HUL
MAN - YRK (in place of MIA - RCC service)
MAN - YRK (in place of MIA - NCL service)
YRK - SCA
YRK - RCC
MAN - HUD: stopping service extended to SHF
CLE – DON shuttle
Two hourly service across:
EBD - YRK
EBD - MAN
Not sure on the LIV - GLC and MIA - GLC routes.
Advice is not to travel as engineering work has already wiped out most other TOCs services on some of these routes. Ticket restrictions lifted for Sunday and tickets valid for travel on Monday.
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Southerners are advised not to travel. Northerners, you'll need yer big coat...
But sadly not surprising at all. If ignorance was bliss, some people's lives would be a perpetual orgasm.
Most of them won't have paid that much on a Sunday, but that's not the point. Refunds are available. Or are you saying the railway is liable if a tree falls on their car while they are driving?
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The gusts tend to be higher if the average winds are higher, and the damage goes up roughly by a power law wrt the gusts, or mean winds (gusts are more highly correlated with damage).
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Don’t know if this has been posted already, but Avanti are running a very limited service:
1tph Euston - Manchester taking 4hr
1tph Euston - Liverpool taking 4hr
1tph Euston - Preston taking 4hr
1tph Preston - Glasgow taking 4hr
Nothing to Edinburgh, Chester or Birmingham. It looks like tomorrow is really gonna be a big one, stay safe folks!
1tph Euston - Manchester taking 4hr
1tph Euston - Liverpool taking 4hr
1tph Euston - Preston taking 4hr
1tph Preston - Glasgow taking 4hr
Nothing to Edinburgh, Chester or Birmingham. It looks like tomorrow is really gonna be a big one, stay safe folks!
It is either that, or cancel hundreds of services because the power has gone out, trees have come down across lines, landslips have rendered some lines unsafe, heavy and persistent rain has caused localised flooding, or debris has been blown onto the track.
The former gives advance warning too, and gives at least some people the chance to change plans. The latter stuffs people up who have already started their journey on the assumption their service will run, with the public facing staff having to deal with the angry backlash. Which do you think is the best outcome under the circumstances?
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Let them go get in their cars then & I hope they steer clear of any debris. It won't be a pleasurable journey. They'll be back on the trains before long. Maximum line speed is 50mph but I can assure you that if I feel the need then my trains tomorrow will be going even slower than that.
Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. If a TOC attempts to run a full service and the wires come down in 70 mph winds you have thousands of passengers stranded on multiple trains in an instant in weather conditions too dangerous to rescue all of them in a safe manner. This means folk could be abandoned for hours in deteriorating conditions onboard. I certainly don't want to see another "Lewisham" situation.
I am actually one of those affected by this and I am travelling home tonight. My weekend has been ruined but I rather get home than be stranded in the middle of nowhere tomorrow afternoon
Passengers can travel either today or Monday on their tickets, if they choose not to travel then they’ll be fully refunded.
You mentioned TOCs cancelling services, the fact that Network Rail are imposing blanket 50mph speed restrictions, then the Intercity TOCs have no choice as journey times are being doubled, so it would be impossible to fulfill a full service with the available stock/crew.
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Yes I remember that one. I was 22 then and it was in October that year and he said there was no hurricane on the way. He fouled that one up. I also noticed by me when getting chips, Walking past a sea cadet hut and it's roof was ripped clean off and landed up against a wall with the lights still fixed to it.
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No, but there were wind speeds equivalent to those of a hurricane. What the Met Office and the BBC have learnt since then is that forecasting is about clarity for the public rather than nuances of metrology. Hence colour coded weather warnings and storm names.
An important effect of such things is to also to make things easier for eg the railway network to prepare. Give it a name and an amber colour, and they can be more confident in putting emergency measures in place
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Very sensible, but I assume those with Sunday (off-peak) tickets won't be able to use them on Monday's peak? Hope they do because if some decide to stay put overnight and heed the warnings will still need to get to work on Monday.
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I also remember going to school the morning after the great storm of 1987.
Fortunately, my family home at the time had escaped the carnage.
I do remember the main road close to where I live was lit by concrete lighting columns at the time & one had come down during the night and had completely demolished a brand new E reg Austin Montego!!!!!
Hopefully the next 24 hours won't be too bad compared to the great one of 87.
Fortunately, my family home at the time had escaped the carnage.
I do remember the main road close to where I live was lit by concrete lighting columns at the time & one had come down during the night and had completely demolished a brand new E reg Austin Montego!!!!!
Hopefully the next 24 hours won't be too bad compared to the great one of 87.
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Which unfortunately means these days they miss out the actual pressure of anti/cyclones on their TV maps.
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One train per hour Euston - Birmingham and Birmingham - Preston
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But that's just it, a weather forecast isn't an authority stating what will definitely happen just one predicting what might possibly happen, which is no more accurate than a horoscope. By all means cancel the trains if a tree blows onto the line but cancelling trains on the off chance that a tree might blow onto the line is ridiculous. One would hope that the TOCs cancelling trains needlessly tomorrow will face hefty compensation claims from passengers needlessly disrupted.
Complete rubbish.
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It's a HECK of a lot more likely than a horoscope. If they pulled the weather forecast out of a random number generator, then it would be no more accurate than a horoscope. But they don't, and as such the forecast is within a reasonable margin of error the vast majority of the time, whereas something in a horoscope is literally no more likely to happen on the day of the horoscope than any other day.
Absolute nonsense. Comparing a weather forecast to astrology is completely ridiculous.
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Also not many trees near it IIRC.
Where did you see this please? Need to get from Bolton area to Newcastle tomorrow and holds advance tickets from Preston to Carlisle then Carlisle to Newcastle
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There is an hourly service to Birmingham, but it is taking 3h 30m
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