xotGD
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I've just noticed that the artist's impression shows a 321/322 in Plat 2. Staying a bit longer than planned, perhaps?
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Rikki Lamb
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I think it is just coincidence an image of those units was used, I'd hope they're staying around abit longer too given they actually work!
Rikki Lamb
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Me too, I don't think they are in danger of falling down.
It is probably PR spin on the part of NR.
YorksLad12
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And a ScotRail-liveried 170 coming into Platform Zero (I think they mean Platform 0). In retrospect it looks a bit like Bradford Forster Square. That's not a compliment.
Speaking as a Spin Doctor it's probably more that they're repeating what they've been told by someone, somewhere. The canopy would have to be hacked back to the point where it might as well be replaced, especially if the northern-most set of supporting columns has to come out to allow the track to run behind the car park. Which could then make it a safety issue, as the remaining structure might not be as stable.
I may be doing them a disservice of course, and there may well have been an engineering note upon completion at Leeds 1st that said "Oh - don't forget to remove the old Midland Railway canopy in 2020, it'll be rotted through by then"...
And a ScotRail-liveried 170 coming into Platform Zero (I think they mean Platform 0). In retrospect it looks a bit like Bradford Forster Square. That's not a compliment.
Speaking as a Spin Doctor it's probably more that they're repeating what they've been told by someone, somewhere. The canopy would have to be hacked back to the point where it might as well be replaced, especially if the northern-most set of supporting columns has to come out to allow the track to run behind the car park. Which could then make it a safety issue, as the remaining structure might not be as stable.
I may be doing them a disservice of course, and there may well have been an engineering note upon completion at Leeds 1st that said "Oh - don't forget to remove the old Midland Railway canopy in 2020, it'll be rotted through by then"...
The sad thing is that it was built for a double sided platform, so had they laid the track where the second platform face used to be, there would have been no need to hack anything back.
Halifaxlad
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Go and ask them when they will be removing the identical canopy at Bingley!
Rikki Lamb
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And Skipton for that matter.
Network Rails response has more cowpoo than a dairy farmer and as @yorksrob states above its needless destruction due to over complicated ideas.
thejuggler
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I was in Leeds today for the first time since this year. Anyone know if/when new flooring will be fitted?
Halifaxlad
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Does anyone know if platform 1 will be straightened up at all ?
I just wondered since NR is going to great lengths to remove the canopy and straighten up the other side so that the width is equal all the way down, would be a shame if they didn't go the whole hog and have it aligned with platform 2.
I just wondered since NR is going to great lengths to remove the canopy and straighten up the other side so that the width is equal all the way down, would be a shame if they didn't go the whole hog and have it aligned with platform 2.
Bantamzen
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Or have an additional stairwell / escalator to service P1-6, instead of having the usual peak time scramble as passengers rush for connections on P9-17....
YorksLad12
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New leaflet sent to residents (presumably also available from your usual stockist). There's some work coming up until the end of April, which involves "demolishing part of the existing platform 1... The nature of the work involves excavating and re-constructing platform 1 and removing the existing roof structure." Since Christmas they've "also been busy dismantling part of the old wooden roof on platform 1 and carrying out some reconstruction work at the ends of platforms 2 & 3."
I'll share any photos I manage to take of the work from this side of the river.
YorksLad12
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Following up on my own message (sorry): a photo showing what's left of the platform canopy. Not very much. The holes in the remainder are so a claw can lift them off and drop (not place, drop, loudly) them to the side when they do the work at night. At this pace the ribs and supports might be gone by the end of the month.
NorthernSpirit
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Methley in south east Leeds has launched a bit for a railway station, should it go ahead, could this be a further improvement to Leeds City? As in a possible turnback so that services wouldn't have to terminate at City.
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/methley-launches-bid-new-train-17764752
I did read in somewhere that a railway station at Marsh Lane was also being looked at.
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/methley-launches-bid-new-train-17764752
I did read in somewhere that a railway station at Marsh Lane was also being looked at.
YorksLad12
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This comes up every few years. The first plan was for East Leeds Parkway near Micklefield, handy for the A1(M). Then there's the station at Thorpe Park to serve businesses and the new housing on the old Barnbow site, which might not come until electrification happens. But then one of Garforth or East Garforth might have to close, or they'd need to four-track. So who knows? Marsh Lane as a station has no business case; but as a turnback facility it might (although you'd hold everything up while units re-cross the tracks, unless you built a dive-under or flyover).
Failing that, perhaps park the LNER set that hogs platform 8 for 30 minutes of each hour 50m further east when it arrives, extend the western end of the platform slightly and you've got a whole extra 100m platform to play with at platform 8A. Run the Doncaster stoppers off that, move the Huddersfield stopper to 10, the Leeds-Sheffield semi-fasts to 13 and they could all be longer trains. And if the train in 8A breaks down or is delayed, add a set of points so that the London train can bypass using the track on platform 9 (it merges together a few metres further along anyway). Not that I know anything...
Failing that, perhaps park the LNER set that hogs platform 8 for 30 minutes of each hour 50m further east when it arrives, extend the western end of the platform slightly and you've got a whole extra 100m platform to play with at platform 8A. Run the Doncaster stoppers off that, move the Huddersfield stopper to 10, the Leeds-Sheffield semi-fasts to 13 and they could all be longer trains. And if the train in 8A breaks down or is delayed, add a set of points so that the London train can bypass using the track on platform 9 (it merges together a few metres further along anyway). Not that I know anything...
In the consultation for Thorpe Park it clearly states that it won't be built at the expense of either of the Garforth stations or Micklefield.
Halish Railway
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I'm pretty sure that platform 5 is supposed to be extended to accommodate 10-coach Azumas (Someone correct me if I'm talking complete nonsense). All other Leeds NW services will be shifted one platform down.
It's in the process of being fixed, it's in bits at the moment.
Wharfe106
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That's how I understand it, 5 and 6 for LNER, 0-4 for Triangle/Harrogate etc, leaves 8 free for other stuff, and with many LNER trains reversing to H'gate or Bradford, there will be some capaicity on 5 and 6 as well, I think?
YorksLad12
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Ah - didn't realise that the other platform extensions were for 10-car Azumas. Aren't those extensions delayed? Haven't been down that way for a while, so relying on a Google Earth view; but that's going to be some work to extend P5 (and presumably part of P4) and move the track northwards. But it might allow P8 to be used by CrossCountry in both directions (thus no need to lifts or escalators with luggage), which has to be a good thing.
Skipton and Bingley are glazed, and form part of a "matching set," unlike Leeds in both respects.
Halish Railway
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Not possible - With the current timetable they are at Leeds at the same time.
ASharpe
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Is it just me or does the new concourse need a proper clock - not just the little LEDs at the bottom corner of two small screens.
There are a couple of decent (older) clocks through the barriers onto the platform and they are much easier to read provided you have a clear view.
Or do I need to go back to wearing a watch or get my phone out?
There are a couple of decent (older) clocks through the barriers onto the platform and they are much easier to read provided you have a clear view.
Or do I need to go back to wearing a watch or get my phone out?
61653 HTAFC
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Platform 8 is the longest platform at the station, so I'm not sure prioritising 4/5-car Voyagers there is the best idea.
Given the usage at Leeds, the main footbridge is woefully inadequate as are the stairways and escalators. If only we could turn the clock back to the late 90s and build for the growth that followed. Perhaps a more suitably-sized "transfer deck" will come with HS2?
The ridge and furrow designs are clearly of a common (Midland) family though, as are the stanchions.
Also things don't have to match to aesthetically benefit the environment.
quantinghome
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Leeds 1st was built to a price. Nevertheless the new bridge is far better than the underpass it replaced. I guess no one thought to design the thing for a tripling of passengers. Or they didn't have the money. Clogging it up with retail doesn't help much.
A new transfer deck is indeed planned as part of the station rebuild, which will connect to the HS2 bit.
edwin_m
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Page 13 of the link below shows an image of what the new high level concourse might look like, looking southwards I think. It shows access left and right to the existing platforms and the HS2 platforms ought to be at the far end although not easily visible here. On the left are, I think, escalators down to the area of the existing main concourse.
https://southbankleeds.co.uk/assets...ds-Integrated-Station-Masterplan-LR-v6-DS.pdf
https://southbankleeds.co.uk/assets...ds-Integrated-Station-Masterplan-LR-v6-DS.pdf
This is only a masterplan, so may be more of an architect's vision than an actual prediction.
61653 HTAFC
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Thanks for that. The image looks sort-of like what I was picturing in my head (though I wasn't imagining it looking like a greenhouse!) but I'd hope those planters and retail spaces (nice though they are!) are shelved. Otherwise it'll just repeat the issues of the existing bridge.
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From what I've seen in that PDF is that the recently installed new front entrance will be ripped out and the bus interchange banished to make way for a Bishopgate Plazza. It don't make any sense whatsoever as where are you suppose to get your bus from once you exit the station?
I wouldn't say no to a glass roof though as it'll brighten up the platforms with natural light, maybe the developers could stick with that and widen the main footbridge wilst they're at it. Owt else will simply get in the way such as retail units or planters.
I wouldn't say no to a glass roof though as it'll brighten up the platforms with natural light, maybe the developers could stick with that and widen the main footbridge wilst they're at it. Owt else will simply get in the way such as retail units or planters.