Class 141s - How far from Yorkshire did they get?

Darandio · 11 Aug 2017

EvanDMU said:
Does this artificial beach count?

Well if you mean in the context of the thread, then no. Given the OP stated...

Post-withdrawal preservation examples not included either!

Nice to see the horrid thing has been trundling around though.

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61653 HTAFC · 11 Aug 2017

EvanDMU said:
141113 (which is freshly repainted and has a retrimmed interior) is alive and well and has been running services to Swanwick-on-Sea on the Midland Railway Butterley all this week, complete with a destination blind that reads "Seaside Special". Does this artificial beach count?
For a picture see http://llangollenrailcars.co.uk/News.php and scroll down to the 5th picture on the August 7th item.

Surprised none of the owners of surviving 141s haven't been more adventurous with livery choices... would be nice to see one in green and cream again, albeit without the pipework on the nose. Or blue and grey even, as this thread shows.

One of them is in a non-authentic maroon IIRC, which doesn't count!

EvanDMU · 14 Aug 2017

Well, 141113 is the only surviving 141 that is in 'Metro' red and cream. 141108 at the Colne Valley is in blue and grey (although not quite an authentic version) while 141103 at Weardale is in purple and cream. The cream and green (it's mostly cream) would be a nightmare to keep clean and of course not historically accurate while '13' never ran in Barrow blue and grey.

theblackwatch · 14 Aug 2017

EvanDMU said:
Well, 141113 is the only surviving 141 that is in 'Metro' red and cream. 141108 at the Colne Valley is in blue and grey (although not quite an authentic version) while 141103 at Weardale is in purple and cream. The cream and green (it's mostly cream) would be a nightmare to keep clean and of course not historically accurate while '13' never ran in Barrow blue and grey.

From memory, only 141001-005 actually emerged from Derby in blue/grey, and I'm pretty sure none of them actually ran in passenger service in that colour scheme. I do remember seeing one at York on a test run from Neville Hill in those colours back in about Jan/Feb 1984. 141001 retained blue/grey for several years but didn't enter passenger service until after refurbishment and repaint into red/cream, having spent several years in store at Holbeck alongside 140001.

Cowley · 14 Aug 2017

theblackwatch said:
From memory, only 141001-005 actually emerged from Derby in blue/grey, and I'm pretty sure none of them actually ran in passenger service in that colour scheme. I do remember seeing one at York on a test run from Neville Hill in those colours back in about Jan/Feb 1984. 141001 retained blue/grey for several years but didn't enter passenger service until after refurbishment and repaint into red/cream, having spent several years in store at Holbeck alongside 140001.

Helvellyn posted a picture of one in blue and grey earlier in the thread (#6), I didn't realise that they'd been painted like that originally, very interesting.

EvanDMU · 14 Aug 2017

Interestingly the body of 141113 was painted blue presumably when built, and you find it when you rub it down for painting. It never ran in that livery though.

alexl92 · 19 Aug 2017

sprinterguy said:
There's a few preserved examples:

141103 at the Weardale Railway
141108 at the Colne Valley Railway, but currently up for sale.
141113 at the Midland Railway, Butterley.

All are operational. 141110 was also preserved at the Weardale Railway alongside 141103, but has been broken up for spares to keep the latter unit running.

IIRC, the Colne Valley one has a problem with one of it's gearboxes and a shortage of spares means it's running on one engine only at the moment. That's a job for the new owner.

61653 HTAFC · 25 Aug 2017

alexl92 said:
IIRC, the Colne Valley one has a problem with one of it's gearboxes and a shortage of spares means it's running on one engine only at the moment. That's a job for the new owner.

Not long (< 3years) before there's a flood of spare parts coming available...

theblackwatch · 25 Aug 2017

EvanDMU said:
Interestingly the body of 141113 was painted blue presumably when built, and you find it when you rub it down for painting. It never ran in that livery though.

I suspect all the bodyshells were delivered to Derby in blue/grey - although I now await a picture from someone of one being transported from Workington to Derby in green/cream!

EvanDMU · 1 Sep 2017

61653 HTAFC said:
Not long (< 3years) before there's a flood of spare parts coming available...

Alas none of the spares in the forthcoming Pacer cull will be of any use to the owners of 141103 or 141108. Both have failed SCG Gearboxes of a type long obsolete. All those to be withdrawn have Voith T211R hydraulic boxes which would physically fit but there would be a chunk of rewiring needed to get them to work.

MDB1images · 11 Jun 2018

Wilts Wanderer said:
Given only Yorkshire crews signed them.

Manchester Piccadilly Regional Railways North East conductors also signed them.

ed1971 · 27 Jan 2020

61653 HTAFC said:
I think Ash Bridge was making a sly reference to the bumpy ride of these... erm, luxury intercity units- that a bib would be required if attempting to eat or drink anything on board!

One thing the 141s had over later Pacers was the shorter wheelbase which meant less squealing on corners (providing the brakes weren't also being used!).

There wasn't much difference in length between a 141 and the later classes of Pacers. A 141 carriage was 15.45m long, the later classes were 15.55m long. I expect that the length of the underframe would be the same.

The December 1983 issue of Railway Magazine carried an article on the Class 141 introduction in West Yorkshire

ed1971 · 27 Jan 2020

EvanDMU said:
Alas none of the spares in the forthcoming Pacer cull will be of any use to the owners of 141103 or 141108. Both have failed SCG Gearboxes of a type long obsolete. All those to be withdrawn have Voith T211R hydraulic boxes which would physically fit but there would be a chunk of rewiring needed to get them to work.

I have often wondered (given that the Pacer SCG R500 gearbox was an updated version of the R14 found in first generation DMUs), how difficult it would be to fit an R14 to a Pacer? LEV1 was built with one.

ajrm · 29 Jan 2020

61653 HTAFC said:
Was having a bit of a brain-fart in thinking they were built at Derby rather than Workington- it was of course the 144s that were constructed at Derby, though I think some 141s underwent testing at the RTC.

The 144s, like the 143s, had bodies by Alexander of Falkirk but mated to Derby underframes (unlike the 143s which had Barclay underframes).

robertclark125 · 10 Feb 2020

A 141 was once at Leicester. A photo was shown in motive power monthly at the time. It had been at the rtc at derby, and was working special trials between derby and Leicester.

clagmonster · 10 Feb 2020

They were quite common on South Yorkshire area locals in the mid 90s. Checking my records, I had:
28th August 1992 141110 Leeds - Morley
23rd Feb 1995 141107 Doncaster - Scunthorpe
1st July 1995 141109 Doncaster - Scunthorpe

Surprised I only had the three, childhood memories suggested more than that. I do remember seeing them around though.

delt1c · 11 Feb 2020

Wasnt there a proposal to use them on the Goblin line in the 90's , but NSE declined them in favour of the 117's

Bcn1973 · 12 Feb 2020

They were trialled on the Blackpool to colne line for a short time I remember catching one from Preston to colne as a kid, they had questionnaires for passengers to fill in regarding suggestions and comments on them

61653 HTAFC · 12 Feb 2020

Bcn1973 said:
They were trialled on the Blackpool to colne line for a short time I remember catching one from Preston to colne as a kid, they had questionnaires for passengers to fill in regarding suggestions and comments on them

Knew they'd occasionally found their way to Lancashire on York-Blackpool and Leeds-Morecambe services, didn't know they'd ever worked services entirely within Lancashire though. The SY use isn't surprising, as many of the WY units (141, 144 and even 110s) were used on Sheffield-based services including those that didn't touch West Yorkshire.

Bertie the bus · 13 Feb 2020

They didn't work services entirely in Lancashire and didn't work Blackpool South - Colne services. I think Bcn1973 has misremembered, though quite understandably, as the 140 was trialled on Colne services and it will have been this he travelled on.

Bcn1973 · 16 Feb 2020

Bertie the bus said:
They didn't work services entirely in Lancashire and didn't work Blackpool South - Colne services. I think Bcn1973 has misremembered, though quite understandably, as the 140 was trialled on Colne services and it will have been this he travelled on.

Possibly, I was very young at the time but I do remember it took my interest as it looked like a leyland national when it pulled in to the station

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