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4O05, 07:15 Birch Coppice Freightliner to Southampton M.C.T derailed at Eastleigh (28/01)
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theironroad
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Tbf, the walk between SOA and ESL isn't that far and at times probably quicker than waiting for a train at parkway and definitely quicker to get off at parkway and walk back to Eastleigh than to all the way into city centre and taxi back, though I appreciate the walk might not be doable for everyone.
Fiyero
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I know, and I had previously offered to cycle to Parkway to start and end my journey but it didn't seem like they could let me do that!
In the end I wanted to see how it worked out, and it was raining!
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RAIB have put out a preliminary update here
Its not unusual to have a few fastenings out and the standards govern how long it should be for and whether a TSR is required or not so be interesting to see what RAIB find in due course
Its not unusual to have a few fastenings out and the standards govern how long it should be for and whether a TSR is required or not so be interesting to see what RAIB find in due course
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On the SWR explanation page today, they mention that the usual buses are running, but because of variable traffic conditions “there’s no published timetable”.
Presumably with no timetable then they can’t appear on journey planners, (or on online sources like RTT), so a guard in Saturday night’s situation would see no buses on his planner either.
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One would hope control would know what the best to do is, will be odd if that coach was waiting for us and we never got on!
It wouldn't be the first time this has happened. It depends who books the coaches with FTS and whether FTS send any paperwork to control and whether the controller had had the time to study the paperwork. There have been plenty of instances in the past when buses were booked for non existent blocks, basically left to shuttle fresh air all day. Also cases where TPU didn't specify buses, leaving firefighting from control on the day to source anything they can to move people about.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-51458915
Sounds a bit like Potters Bar. And Network Rail have seemingly admitted their maintenance is not up to scratch by bringing in more staff. How many more accidents are out there waiting to happen? Next time the casualties might be more serious than a few boxes.
Sounds a bit like Potters Bar. And Network Rail have seemingly admitted their maintenance is not up to scratch by bringing in more staff. How many more accidents are out there waiting to happen? Next time the casualties might be more serious than a few boxes.
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In the photos which were posted earlier in the thread, I commented that there were multiple tie bars holding rails together on the 3 to 4 sleepers just in front of the switches, which all had clips missing.
One photo also showed an Insulated Block Joint with the bolt locking plate for the 3 bolts missing, and the plastic insulating pice white underneath & no bolt heads visible .
This was not caused by derailment, as there was wheel marks in 4 foot, which had cut through an earth bond, but these were nowhere near rail, & not close enough to cause damage to the IBJ .
One photo also showed an Insulated Block Joint with the bolt locking plate for the 3 bolts missing, and the plastic insulating pice white underneath & no bolt heads visible .
This was not caused by derailment, as there was wheel marks in 4 foot, which had cut through an earth bond, but these were nowhere near rail, & not close enough to cause damage to the IBJ .
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Less risky to do the job in two parts maybe? So effectively they are reinstating one set of points. Then on another weekend reinstate another set?
(AIUI the slip diamond is still there but with the straight across route disconnected?)
that is correct, you explained it much better than I could have.
However long does it take to replace some damaged rails nowadays?
We went down to Weymouth on Friday/Saturday 21st/22nd. In the end we drove. The service back was not only bus substituted between Southampton and Winchester, but the whole evening service from Weymouth was pretty much given up on Saturday night, with the last departure from Weymouth seemingly at 6pm. As the normal Saturday service is every 30 minutes until well after then, and most of those from Weymouth etc at that time are not going beyond Southampton anyway, all rather poor.
Unusual was a diesel service at 5pm from Weymouth to Yeovil Pen Mill, reverse to the Junction, and reverse again on to London. However it then seemed to have been tacked on to a local service beyond Salisbury, taking over 4.5 hours to Waterloo. It looked a bit of a fragile arrangement, especially as the Maiden Newton line itself had been closed all the previous week for other works, and was the only one, so we gave it a miss this time.
We went down to Weymouth on Friday/Saturday 21st/22nd. In the end we drove. The service back was not only bus substituted between Southampton and Winchester, but the whole evening service from Weymouth was pretty much given up on Saturday night, with the last departure from Weymouth seemingly at 6pm. As the normal Saturday service is every 30 minutes until well after then, and most of those from Weymouth etc at that time are not going beyond Southampton anyway, all rather poor.
Unusual was a diesel service at 5pm from Weymouth to Yeovil Pen Mill, reverse to the Junction, and reverse again on to London. However it then seemed to have been tacked on to a local service beyond Salisbury, taking over 4.5 hours to Waterloo. It looked a bit of a fragile arrangement, especially as the Maiden Newton line itself had been closed all the previous week for other works, and was the only one, so we gave it a miss this time.
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That unusual DMU service runs Saturday all year round now, it’s the one each way that in the summer months connects with a service to Swanage.
AIUI the Southampton area closure all day Sunday was already booked, it was not directly connected with the Eastleigh derailment repairs. It’s likely the Saturday service changes were also caused by the pre-existing block, but it’s not easy to check what was showing earlier last week, after it has all happened.
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theironroad
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Today's total Southampton closure was pre planned and announced months ago, so I've no issue there.
The Eastleigh closure yesterday and today (most notably yesterday) was NOT pre planned and only annoinced last week as it is to attempt to get the points in so down mainline services can call at ESL again. No problem with that as it was unforseen.
What is inexcusable is that no trains ran from Weymouth/Bomo/Southampton to London direct via Fareham and Havant. That route was open to traffic but SWR decided not to run trains , despite it being the planned diversion route for decades and used a number of times this year already. SWR were given sufficient notice to amend the train plan and importantly to amend train crew diagrams . Instead it was though better to run buses in the last Saturday of half term and with loads of villa fans travelling to Southampton. it didn't take a rocket scientist to predict carnage and it seems that is pretty much what happened at Winchester last night.
Have swr just given up trying? Senior managers should be held to account for yesterday's lack of trains. Not a public service ,an embarrassment.
I've gone down from London to family in Weymouth on a Saturday four times in the last year. So far a 25% success rate versus the timetable. One diversion via Havant, one bus between Eastleigh and Bournemouth, this weekend's abandoned attempt ... and one as in Table 158. If you are doing a day return having this both ways really cuts into the time at destination.
Weymouth station on Friday evening (went there to pick others up) had an overlong closely printed board (fortunately I had my spectacles with me) listing diversions all across the West of England, which after a lengthy inspection was a GWR-only item, written in Gricer-ese; the line to Yeovil had been closed all week for a bridge replacement (I'm sufficiently long in the tooth to remember when this sort of thing was achieved over a weekend). There was absolutely no sign, notice or on the monitors, of the SWR shutdown, for Saturday or Sunday.
Weymouth station on Friday evening (went there to pick others up) had an overlong closely printed board (fortunately I had my spectacles with me) listing diversions all across the West of England, which after a lengthy inspection was a GWR-only item, written in Gricer-ese; the line to Yeovil had been closed all week for a bridge replacement (I'm sufficiently long in the tooth to remember when this sort of thing was achieved over a weekend). There was absolutely no sign, notice or on the monitors, of the SWR shutdown, for Saturday or Sunday.
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theironroad
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At least the bridge replacement etc work at yetminster has been done on time and line reopened today.
I appreciate that diversion via Havant adds about 40 mins , but it's a interesting enough diversion and at least it's one train so it's possible to settle in and watch catch up or read . It's the unnecessary use of buses that's my beef....
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It’s cancelled via Eastleigh all this week. Maybe it can’t be reinstated quickly for rostering reasons, if their traincrew don’t all know the route? Alternatively, the track situation may still be as you posted yesterday, and up main to P3 (as booked) via the slip diamond is not available, so they’ve intentionally dropped it from the timetable.
from experience it always used to use platform 2 at Eastleigh. I’ve not watched to see if it’s possible to to run from the Portsmouth line to Platform 2, but it would be silly if not.
I was under the impression that all drivers that sign Southampton for Southern also sign via Eastleigh, as Southampton is top link, I could well be wrong.
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I’ve often used them into P2 back when a convenient train used to ran that way in the afternoon, but RTT shows it booked P3 at the moment. Maybe some planner somewhere might have assumed P3 must be what is normally used, without checking. Might all change back later in this week of course, if it’s just a communication failure...
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Isn't 70001 in warm store?
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TOPS shows it in regular use, at least for the 14 days I can go back.
It's currently just worked L/E from Hope to Tunstead sdgs.
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Thought I’d upload a photo showing the current state of play with half the reinstatement complete. (As described in post #341 by @pompeyfan)
Is there a date for phase 2 - I’m assuming there’ll be yet another short notice date, with chaotic diversions, etc etc? Maybe not until after the Laverstock embankment is fixed?
Is there a date for phase 2 - I’m assuming there’ll be yet another short notice date, with chaotic diversions, etc etc? Maybe not until after the Laverstock embankment is fixed?
My guess is that the missing connection is low priority for reinstatement.
Is there any update on this as to when or if full flexibility will be returned? Currently it’s not possible to route from the up lines to platform 3, and also not possible to run between platform 2 and the Portsmouth line or Arlington depot due to the plain lining that was done.
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I wondered that as well, I noticed recently shunts are still taking place via either 222 or 228 ground sigs. I guess with things how they are it's just not essential enough at the moment. Passenger movements are largely able to run OK now. Apart from the few southerns that reversed there.
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Also affects a couple of GWR moves, and a number of XC ECS to/from the TRSMD. It does seem odd that they haven’t been able to fix it yet. Perhaps it would have been done if not for the virus - that will have been a factor in prioritising many jobs...
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