Yes, 143601. It did the 00.45 Cardiff - Paddington from Bristol TM and returned on the 05.xx Paddington - Bristol sometime around 1997.If they did, how long did they survive in the capital etc...
Blimey bet that was an awful experienceYes, 143601. It did the 00.45 Cardiff - Paddington from Bristol TM and returned on the 05.xx Paddington - Bristol sometime around 1997.
Blimey bet that was an awful experience
It retired pretty quickly once the Southern operators had stopped laughing.
Walking away saying "oop north can have them".
I once travelled from Chester to Llandudno Junction on a 142 at (relatively) high speed.
It was terrible.
The thought of bucketing along the GW mainline on one is truly horrible!
It was deputising for a 158, which failed at Swindon due to failed cab heat and it was a Gloucester to Paddington turn, according to another forum!Yes, 143601. It did the 00.45 Cardiff - Paddington from Bristol TM and returned on the 05.xx Paddington - Bristol sometime around 1997.
Don't know if it is true, but at that time, it was rumoured that the NSE and Scotland managements were "unwilling" to accept any Pacers.
A 143 (the posh ones) - rampaging downhill through the Severn Tunnel was pretty scary - and an awful train for Cardiff - Taunton.
A 143 (the posh ones) - rampaging downhill through the Severn Tunnel was pretty scary - and an awful train for Cardiff - Taunton.
Don't know if it is true, but at that time, it was rumoured that the NSE and Scotland managements were "unwilling" to accept any Pacers.
Just to clarify: the 141s didn't normally work Airedale (at least not after 1990 when I moved there) - it was a cascade that made them redundant on the quieter routes.Mentioned on another thread that the 141s, once they'd been rendered surplus by 308s on Airedale, were proposed to become the main stock for the Gospel Oak to Barking line... but NSE decided to stick with 117s.
I didn't say they did (though there was no reason they couldn't, and they did show up there). I said that the 308s starting on Airedale rendered the 141s surplus.Just to clarify: the 141s didn't work Airedale (at least not after 1990 when I moved there) - it was a cascade that made them redundant on the quieter routes.
Thanks for clarifying.I didn't say they did (though there was no reason they couldn't, and they did show up there). I said that the 308s starting on Airedale rendered the 141s surplus.
I'm all for getting things right, but your response will end up with someone posting in six months time that "141s were barred from Airedale" which simply isn't true.
Don't know if it is true, but at that time, it was rumoured that the NSE and Scotland managements were "unwilling" to accept any Pacers.
Don't know if it is true, but at that time, it was rumoured that the NSE and Scotland managements were "unwilling" to accept any Pacers.
My understanding also - will ask the relevant gentlemen in charge , next convenient opportunity.
Sorry, I have to correct you there. The 'business case' for the Bathgate re-opening explicitly required lowest cost Pacers in order to make the sums add up. (The June 1986 Modern Railways has more detail and pictures.)Said gentleman was, of course, Chris Green, who absolutely refused to allow Pacers into Scotland. Were they ever seriously considered for NSE?