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Storm Dennis disruption 15th & 16th

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TPE WCML on Saturday/Sunday is as follows:
Running between Edinburgh/Glasgow to Carlisle and Manchester Airport to Preston.

No TPE service Preston to Carlisle with tickets valid on Avanti West Coast between those points.

If the last storm is anything to go by Edinhurgh/Glasgow to Carlisle is the part of the route most likely to be underwater.
 
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The Rivers Creedy, Culm and Exe are already fairly swollen and it looks like we’ve got a hefty amount of rain due over the weekend. It’ll be interesting to see how Cowley Bridge holds up in the next few days.
 

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I'm now wondering whether my Monday morning LNER Hull to London service will be cancelled for the second Monday in a row.


I think the eastern half of the country is forecast to be least affected so provided no flood closures ECMl should be open
 

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The Rivers Creedy, Culm and Exe are already fairly swollen and it looks like we’ve got a hefty amount of rain due over the weekend. It’ll be interesting to see how Cowley Bridge holds up in the next few days.

And there was me hoping to head towards Barnstaple on Sunday, but I would bet 10p that line will end up being closed due to flooding.
 

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Dredging is not necessarily the answer to flooding, it just moves the flood somewhere else in many cases.

- so said Chris Smith (now Lord) 1.22 to 1.32.

I think the eastern half of the country is forecast to be least affected so provided no flood closures ECMl should be open

The ECML will probably be affected by the wind - don't forget about the headspans and the wide spacing between masts.
 

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There were serious problems and severe delays outside EDB on the ECML this afternoon and LNER told people to defer journeys till early tomorrow morning. They had earlier advised people travelling on Saturday or Sunday to defer journeys till Monday. A very messy situation indeed.
 

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Tonight's delays were for the usual sad reason - someone hit by a train.
 

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And there was me hoping to head towards Barnstaple on Sunday, but I would bet 10p that line will end up being closed due to flooding.
Oh. Maybe not such a good day Kite, although you never know?
 

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The Dolgarrog Railway suffered yet more flooding last weekend. I just hope it does not get worse this weekend.
 

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Tell that to Stagecoach who were operating the 40 on time all day.
Lloyd's coaches of Machynlleth cancelled a swathe of their services during storm Ciara. They are the firm that usually provides the RRBs for the Cambrian, so no surprise that TfW were advising that no RRBs would be available.
 

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I'd like to be able to get to either Plymouth or Cardiff today, but with travel advice being a blanket "it's not unsafe enough that we'll cancel trains, but we don't have a clue if or when they'll arrive, just check when it's too late to be useful" isn't inspiring any confidence at all. Was same issue last week trying to get across to Sheffield from Manchester on the Sunday, if I knew the TPE via Huddersfield was only going to be 50 late I'd have gone for it
 

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Would you expect the WCML (Euston to Crewe) to cope this afternoon/evening?
It would be prudent to expect disruption. If possible I wouldn't plan or expect too much over the next few days on this route as well as most others.
 

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But rather confusingly Northern's Journey Check is showing additional services running between Todmorden and Leeds
You are indeed correct. Services from Manchester as far as Rochdale then service from Todmorden through to Leeds. It would be better if the groundframe at Littleborough could be manned and allow turn backs there providing service as far as Smithy Bridge and Littleborough but then again I wouldnt want to be stood out in a storm for 12 hours. The problem as always lies at Walsden where the river running under the line is very prone to flooding.
 
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Not sure about speed restrictions but National Rail Enquires states the following for TransPennine Express services along the WCML;

“Edinburgh / Glasgow Central – Carlisle – Preston - Manchester: Services will only run between Edinburgh / Glasgow and Carlisle, and between Preston and Manchester Piccadilly / Manchester Airport.”

“There will be no TransPennine Express service between Carlisle – Penrith – Oxenholme – Lancaster – Preston however, you may use your ticket on Avanti West Coast services between these stations.”

Can someone confirm why these restrictions are in place in advance if Avanti are advertising to run a normally-timetabled service? That presumes Avanti are not ‘expecting’ infrastructure problems?
 

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Can someone confirm why these restrictions are in place in advance if Avanti are advertising to run a normally-timetabled service? That presumes Avanti are not ‘expecting’ infrastructure problems?
Are there speed restrictions?
 

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XC have speed restrictions imposed on them from this evening on Anglia, Western, Wessex & Wales routes.
 

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Can someone confirm why these restrictions are in place in advance if Avanti are advertising to run a normally-timetabled service? That presumes Avanti are not ‘expecting’ infrastructure problems?
50mph emergency speed restriction between Lancaster and Penrith from 1700 this evening until 1000 tomorrow.

I would imagine Network Rail have requested that the service is thinned out. I would imagine TPE can run a more reliable split service in this situation too.
 

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LNER have cancelled 25 services today and 6 services tomorrow, with some services additionally calling at Peterborough.

A train failed at KGX earlier blocking one of two platforms available, due to engineering work. They've been starting trains from Stevenage/Peterborough in the meantime and directing people to Thameslink from St Pancras.
 

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A train failed at KGX earlier blocking one of two platforms available, due to engineering work. They've been starting trains from Stevenage/Peterborough in the meantime and directing people to Thameslink from St Pancras.

Yep, it’s gone Pete tong even without the earlier cancellations due to the weather.
 

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. I would imagine TPE can run a more reliable split service in this situation too.
They can’t, there’s still some Carlisle-Scotland & return TPE cancellations
 
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Flooding on the WCML at Shap Summit, between Penrith North Lakes and Oxenholme Lake District. All lines blocked.
 
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We made it from Euston to Craven Arms albeit 50 minutes late. However the delay was because of no driver at Crewe not the weather.

However the line between Hereford and Newport seems to be shut or seriously disrupted because of flooding.
 

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Flooding on the WCML at Shap Summit, between Penrith North Lakes and Oxenholme Lake District. All lines blocked.
The flooding near Carlisle last week seemed predictable, low lying area etc, Shap is more surprising, unless there is an odd dip I can't recall.

Perhaps Network Rail should be required to have a 'climate change resilience' plan for the railway, with a programme of works to harden the railways against flooding and high tides. I presume the wind risk is more foreign objects getting blown onto the tracks than trains being blown over as the Forth Bridge manages fine without wind shielding whereas the Road Bridges require that (or close).
 

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Perhaps Network Rail should be required to have a 'climate change resilience' plan for the railway, with a programme of works to harden the railways against flooding and high tides. I presume the wind risk is more foreign objects getting blown onto the tracks than trains being blown over as the Forth Bridge manages fine without wind shielding whereas the Road Bridges require that (or close).

I suspect they have one, but there's a lot to do !
 
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