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Hi all, looking for some advice. I'm off to Las Vegas for a work thing (I know, the hardship). The event is on the night of the 28th of Feb and I fly back from San Francisco on the evening of the 2nd of March. That gives me two and a bit days of free time.

Originally I had planned to fly to San Francisco in the morning of the 29th and spend the couple of days exploring the city. But the idea has occurred that I could 'do' an Amtrak experience. Ideas at the moment are flying to Portland and getting the train down to San Francisco (leaving Portland on the 29th in the afternoon and arriving Oakland on the 1st in the morning). Or, alternatively flying to San Diego and getting the train to Los Angeles (then either fly, bus or train to San Francisco).

Has anyone done either route (or preferably both routes) and can provide comment on the scenery and experience?
 
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Hi all, looking for some advice. I'm off to Las Vegas for a work thing (I know, the hardship). The event is on the night of the 28th of Feb and I fly back from San Francisco on the evening of the 2nd of March. That gives me two and a bit days of free time.

Originally I had planned to fly to San Francisco in the morning of the 29th and spend the couple of days exploring the city. But the idea has occurred that I could 'do' an Amtrak experience. Ideas at the moment are flying to Portland and getting the train down to San Francisco (leaving Portland on the 29th in the afternoon and arriving Oakland on the 1st in the morning). Or, alternatively flying to San Diego and getting the train to Los Angeles (then either fly, bus or train to San Francisco).

Has anyone done either route (or preferably both routes) and can provide comment on the scenery and experience?

The rail route from San Diego to LA is well worth doing, and fairly frequent by USA standards, so you should be able to find a convenient departure. The line follows the Pacific coast closely, at times next to the beach, and is highly scenic. San Diego has a local light rail system, which wasn't built when I was there, but sounds interesting from what I've read. The main places en route are La Jolla (upmarket), Oceanside (a US Marine base) and Del Mar (home of a famous racetrack). Nixon's "Western White House" was at San Clemente, near the line.

The route from LA to San Francisco is also interesting and takes most of the day. The scenery is largely rolling hills, covered in dry brown grass at the time I saw them. Santa Barbara is the most interesting place en route, but I don't know what the timetable is at present, so I don't know if you can break a journey without spending 24 hours there. LA Union Terminal was the last of the great US stations, completed just before the war, and is an interesting building in Spanish mission style, well worth seeing. You may recognise it from numerous old movies.

I took the Coast Starlight from Salem, Oregon to Oakland (Jack London Square) in 1996, and was awed by the forests. On an earlier trip, from Seattle in the 1980s, I saw the aftermath of the eruption of Mount St Helens, when much of the landscape was still covered by volcanic ash, before the plant life had re-established. But some of this journey was of course at night.

I passed through Las Vegas on the Desert Wind from LA to Salt Lake City once, and remember the sight of Las Vegas seen in the distance as the train descended the mountains, as a point of light in the darkness which gradually exploded into a rainbow of neon lights. There were gambling machines on the station platform, as I recall. I don't think this train runs any more, but I don't have a current Amtrak timetable, so I can't say for sure.

My 2 holidays on 30-day Amtrak passes were in 1981 and 1996, so I can't say what service on board is like now, but I understand it has been cut back. The dining cars used to be memorable, especially the breakfasts (French toast was a US railroad speciality). The double-deck Superliners are still very impressive, especially the observation cars (though these are not quite as good for a forward view as the old Rio Grande dome on the Rio Grande Zephyr from Denver to Salt Lake City, which still hadn't joined Amtrak when I went on it). I went with a friend, on my second trip in 1996, and on several trains we shared a 2-berth sleeper. As I had won the 2 free return flights from Manchester to Newark NJ which made our trip possible, I exercised the prerogative of having the upper berth, which is quieter. When I went there in the 1980s, the San Diego route was operated by single-level day coaches, each of which carried a brakeman, one of whose jobs was to put the steps out at stations.

Try to find a book called USA By Rail, by John Pitt, published by Bradt Publications. I have the 1992 edition, but there may be more recent ones.
 

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I passed through Las Vegas on the Desert Wind from LA to Salt Lake City once...
Was that Las Vegas NV, or Las Vegas NM?

Edit: Ah, I couldn't find it because the Desert Wind has been discontinued.
 
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I too have travelled both the San Diegan and Coast Starlight routes. That was back in 1994 after I had won airline tickets to Seattle for my wife and I.

At the time I went the San Diegan was operated by single level Amfleet coaches with a service of snacks, sandwiches and drinks.

The Coast Starlight was formed of bi level Superliner coaches. Travelling with a sleeper reservation meant that breakfast, lunch and dinner as appropriate was included in the price of the ticket. At the time I travelled it was part of marketing the train that locally sourced produce was used to provide the catering in the restaurant car. A cafe car was also available just for snacks.I do know that the quality and service in the restaurant cars was down graded a few years ago. Part of the fun is having to sit with strangers in the dining car unless you are with three friends.

My itinerary was Seattle - San Jose - San Francisco - Oakland - Sacramento (for the California State Railroad Museum) - Salt Lake City - Las Vegas NV- Anaheim ( for Disneyland) - San Diego (zoo and Sea World) - Los Angeles - Flagstaff (for the Grand Canyon) - Los Angeles - Seattle. (I did cheat and travelled between Salt Lake and Los Angeles over three days by Challenger steam loco hauled excursion train (forsaking the Desert Wind) - with three diesels tagging along for braking power down Cajon Pass).

For a real taste of AMTRAK I would recommend the Coast Starlight through the Cascades. For my journey to San Francisco I stayed on the train to San Jose and doubled back by Caltrain service rather than the bus connection over the bay bridge (done later to connect with the eastbound California Zephyr). However, it must be noted that passenger trains operating on freight railroads are subject to delays (occasionally severe) as freight takes precedence. There may be delays caused by weather related issues (snow, washouts, trees blown over etc). I think it was about two hours late when I caught the Coast Starlight.

The San Diegan won’t be subject to the whims of freight and weather anything like travelling over the Cascades and maybe the safer bet. I think the rail lines have been altered since my first visit to that line to separate freight heading to and from the Docks with passenger trains.

Last time I was in Los Angeles I took the metro to Long Beach to view the RMS Queen Mary misjudged how long the journey took and got back to LA Union Station 10 minutes after my train to Chicago was timed to depart. Fortunately for me the train hadn’t left and was backing onto some mail wagons. There are metro style tram routes in San Diego and loco hauled suburban trains plying their trade into and out of LA Union station for most of the day to keep a railfan happy.

Unfortunately the area around LA Union is not the safest. In the late evening and early hours security guards and police patrol the station and check you have a hotel to go to and make sure you get in a taxi.

Have a great time whatever you decide. I certainly did and went back a few times to both the USA and Canada as a result afterwards (helped by volunteering to swap flights one time in return for a free hotel stay and a 1000 dollar travel voucher - oh dear how sad. Thank you very much).
 
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Thanks all for the suggestions. It sounds like a flight to San Diego and rail (or rail and bus) to San Francisco is the safest option, with good views to boot.
 

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If you end up in San Diego there is an impressive looking model railroad museum there: YouTube will give an idea of what to expect.
In Balboa Park and great visit for any model fan.
All these cities now have light rail to explore, DART and trolleys in SF being best known, SD is well established.
 

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Thanks again all for the suggestions. What it's looking like now is:
  • Feb 29th: Fly Las Vegas > San Diego (for Miniature Railway and Air & Space Museums among other attactions)
  • Mar 1st: Train San Diego > Los Angeles around mid-day, bus to Oakland at 10pm (arriving 6am on Mar 2nd)
  • Mar 2nd: Explore San Francisco, fly out at 8pm
 
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