GWR Class 143 withdrawals

northernbelle · 27 Jan 2020

northernbelle said:
I suspect that's not quite the same - they are likely to be insurance write offs and so the leasing company might receive a payout in lieu of the asset that's been written off.

TOCs and leasing companies can agree any terms they like in terms of handing rolling stock back, although often those terms state the stock should be handed back in a 're-leasable' condition.

There was recent comment on here about FGW not removing the 'Flying F' from the seats of Scotrail-bound HST stock and how they would be in breach of agreement. The truth is that the leasing company can choose to waive aspects such as this if it so chose - especially if it means the speedy re-lease of rolling stock that would otherwise be sitting around not earning.

It could be, but I doubt it. There's likely to be 11 months work for it at GWR and the 144s at Northern will be among the last of the Pacers to leave there so might not be available to soon. GWR isn't in a position to turn down rolling stock in the West with the ongoing Exeter depot building work limiting maintenance capability and therefore fleet availability.

603 will require an engine change, repairs to some door apparatus and four new windows - I'll be surprised if it's not back in traffic by the spring.

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IamTrainsYT · 28 Jan 2020

northernbelle said:
603 will require an engine change, repairs to some door apparatus and four new windows - I'll be surprised if it's not back in traffic by the spring.

That Much? Might they get in one of the Ex northern 142s for the engine as I don’t see where else that’s coming from

43096 · 28 Jan 2020

IamTrainsYT said:
That Much? Might they get in one of the Ex northern 142s for the engine as I don’t see where else that’s coming from

There will be “float” engines to allow for overhauls, so could be one available.

IamTrainsYT · 16 Feb 2020

Any news on 143603 yet?

43096 · 16 Feb 2020

IamTrainsYT said:
Any news on 143603 yet?

No longer being preserved, apparently.

IamTrainsYT · 16 Feb 2020

43096 said:
No longer being preserved, apparently.

Shame. They taking another unit

43096 · 16 Feb 2020

IamTrainsYT said:
Shame. They taking another unit

Believe so.

Trainfan061193 · 17 Feb 2020

Last time I heard, 143603 was waiting for new windows. If the rumour is true that it’s no longer going to be preserved then what will replace it?

Apedlar12 · 17 Feb 2020

Trainfan061193 said:
Last time I heard, 143603 was waiting for new windows. If the rumour is true that it’s no longer going to be preserved then what will replace it?

Could well be the next one in order with GWR which would be 611 or they may take a TFW 143 instead...

NorthernSpirit · 17 Feb 2020

Trainfan061193 said:
Can anyone please give me a rough idea on when the 143s with GWR are expected to be withdrawn? I know they’ve been given a derogation until December 31st this year. I’m trying to make the most of them while I can. I also know this is dependent on the 769s finally entering service.

I'd keep tabs on the Northern Pacer withdrawls thread as there are two lists on there which also include the class 143's, mine with shows basic information and someone else has a list which is more detailed.

To be honest the Northern Pacer Withdrawls thread should be renamed as Pacer Withdrawls as it would mean one thread for that one class of unit.

IamTrainsYT · 17 Feb 2020

Has anyone heard from GWR that they will be withdrawing there pacers? Have we just been assuming all this time.

cactustwirly · 17 Feb 2020

IamTrainsYT said:
Has anyone heard from GWR that they will be withdrawing there pacers? Have we just been assuming all this time.

It's in their franchise agreement, and the derogation expires at the end of the year, so it is a given.
However they are waiting for 769s to release more turbos from Reading, which frees up more 150s to replace the Pacers.

IamTrainsYT · 17 Feb 2020

cactustwirly said:
It's in their franchise agreement, and the derogation expires at the end of the year, so it is a given.
However they are waiting for 769s to release more turbos from Reading, which frees up more 150s to replace the Pacers.

Right. Just thought I had took it as they were when I had heard nothing official. Thanks for clearing that up

Trainfan061193 · 19 Feb 2020

They are basically waiting for 769s which will allow more Turbos to move west to Bristol then that will free up more 150s to replace the 143s whenever that will be.

PHILIPE · 19 Feb 2020

Trainfan061193 said:
They are basically waiting for 769s which will allow more Turbos to move west to Bristol then that will free up more 150s to replace the 143s whenever that will be.

There are no 150s to free up at Bristol. The Turbos from LTV will enable some Turbos, based at Bristol, to deploy by displacing 143s at Exeter

Apedlar12 · 20 Feb 2020

It has been rumoured on WNXX, that 143603 will now not be going into preservation at Swindon after being used at GWR once it is repaired; but nothing confirmed from what I can see atm.

IamTrainsYT · 20 Feb 2020

It was said further up they are no longer taking it and having another unit instead

RPI · 20 Feb 2020

603 was in the shed this morning, looked like it was being worked on

Apedlar12 · 20 Feb 2020

RPI said:
603 was in the shed this morning, looked like it was being worked on

Apparantly it now has a full set of saloon windows and it was attached to a 150/2 earlier today for a test run.

Apedlar12 · 24 Feb 2020

Apedlar12 said:
Apparantly it now has a full set of saloon windows and it was attached to a 150/2 earlier today for a test run.

143603 was in service yesterday with 150238 on the Exmouth to Paignton route, however I am not sure if yesterday was it's first day back or whether it was out on Saturday too...

RPI · 24 Feb 2020

603 is about on the Devon Metro today

Trainfan061193 · 24 Feb 2020

I shall have to look out for 143603....

Colby James · 14 Mar 2020

Apedlar12 said:
It has been rumoured on WNXX, that 143603 will now not be going into preservation at Swindon after being used at GWR once it is repaired; but nothing confirmed from what I can see atm.

Trainfan061193 said:
I shall have to look out for 143603....

this is exactly why GWR should have taken them out of service earlier before Dwalish incident.

PHILIPE · 14 Mar 2020

Colby James said:
this is exactly why GWR should have taken them out of service earlier before Dwalish incident.

What would work their trains ?

IamTrainsYT · 15 Mar 2020

Colby James said:
this is exactly why GWR should have taken them out of service earlier before Dwalish incident.

and run a service exactly like northern...

Colby James · 15 Mar 2020

Well if Swindon isn’t getting 603 that might change but I guess who knows for now wait unit news says if it’s to be a different 143 Pacer

IamTrainsYT · 15 Mar 2020

Colby James said:
Well if Swindon isn’t getting 603 that might change but I guess who knows for now wait unit news says if it’s to be a different 143 Pacer

Since it has been repaired they might still take it?

Sheldonian · 15 Mar 2020

Wonder why they wanted 603 specifically.

43096 · 15 Mar 2020

Sheldonian said:
Wonder why they wanted 603 specifically.

Unit condition, based on has been said elsewhere.

IamTrainsYT · 15 Mar 2020

First of the Great Western units

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