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What about an aluminium alloy that was inherently inimical to bacteria; say 90% Aluminium + 10% Plutonium...;) The radiation would scare off the germs (although admittedly with the chance of mutating them I suppose). Or what about an aluminium/silver alloy. Is silver not fatal to 99% of household and tunnel bacteria, if a trifle pricey?
 
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Does the provisional March date seem a little optomistic,or is a temporary solution to keeping the tunnel reliably electrified in hand?
 

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Risk is that the coating would interfere with the electrical conductivity required. Or is there a copper bit attached to the lower edge of the rail.

I'm assuming that the contact surface itself wouldn't have too much trouble with corrosion as any biofilm would be removed rather violently by the pantograph several times an hour, and any non-contact surface could just be coated to insulate the aluminium from the air/water/critters?
 

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What about an aluminium alloy that was inherently inimical to bacteria; say 90% Aluminium + 10% Plutonium...;) The radiation would scare off the germs (although admittedly with the chance of mutating them I suppose). Or what about an aluminium/silver alloy. Is silver not fatal to 99% of household and tunnel bacteria, if a trifle pricey?
That effect of silver is due to very small diameter silver particles having certain crystallography at the surface that is not exhibited in bulk form /alloy
 

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Whereabouts in the OHLE fittings is anaerobic? Apart from the fixings into the tunnel lining, of course.
Btw, I thought that the major flow of water into the tunnel was actually fresh, from an aquifer underneath the estuary.
 

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Everything in the tunnel is aerobic,i.e.open to the atmosphere and its oxygen.One of the most common places for anaerobic bacteria to breed is in your gastrointestinal tract,but who knows where this disruptive bacteria came from!!!
 

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GW Coffee Shop reports:

"A signalling cable for SB901 on the Down Main became loose and was struck by the pantograph of 800304 on 1A17. This pulled the signalling cable onto the OLE on the Up Main causing damage to both."

Looks like there's a possession tonight to fix it.

WAO
 

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GW Coffee Shop reports:

"A signalling cable for SB901 on the Down Main became loose and was struck by the pantograph of 800304 on 1A17. This pulled the signalling cable onto the OLE on the Up Main causing damage to both."

Looks like there's a possession tonight to fix it.

WAO

If a Signalling cable has been in contact with the OLE there is presumably a fair bit of damage to the signalling system equipment too ?
 

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Thanks for the correction! Can bacteria not become resistant to disinfectants?

Well this is wildly off topic, so I’ll answer your question then take it no further.

Disinfectants like chlorine are highly reactive and basically obliterate the microbial cells reacting with all the cellular apparatus: Denaturing proteins, the cell wall, even the DNA. A good analogy would be it’s like a bomb. Get in the blast and it will blow you apart and there’s not a lot you can do about it.

Antibiotics are more like snipers, they pick their targets. They have to kill the bugs but not the patient, so they must do so in a specific way which affects only the bacteria. For example, penicillin blocks one of the enzymes responsible for constructing the bacterial cell wall from doing its job. If the cell wall can’t be built the cell bursts and dies. Because bacterial cell walls are different to ours it doesn’t affect us. But because penicillin is so specific in what it does the bacteria can evolve ways to counteract it and become resistant. For example, the target enzyme can be modified very slightly so that it still works but penicillin can no longer react with it (target site modification - this is how MRSA works). Or a second very similar enzyme can be mass produced to intercept and inactivate the penicillin before it gets to where it needs to be to do any harm (competitive inhibition - how CPE works).

As I said... Very off topic so I’ll stop there.
 

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In layman's terms can the Severn Tunnel electrification be economically remedied, or should they scrap it and stick with diesel mode through the tunnel?
 

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In layman's terms can the Severn Tunnel electrification be economically remedied, or should they scrap it and stick with diesel mode through the tunnel?
There can’t be much to do, it’s been authorised for use by ORR, as already posted a few weeks ago.
 

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In layman's terms can the Severn Tunnel electrification be economically remedied, or should they scrap it and stick with diesel mode through the tunnel?

No it won’t be scrapped, as that would preclude multiple operators’ ambitions to run electric-only traction through the tunnel.
 

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Well this is wildly off topic, so I’ll answer your question then take it no further.

Disinfectants like chlorine are highly reactive and basically obliterate the microbial cells reacting with all the cellular apparatus: Denaturing proteins, the cell wall, even the DNA. A good analogy would be it’s like a bomb. Get in the blast and it will blow you apart and there’s not a lot you can do about it.

Antibiotics are more like snipers, they pick their targets. They have to kill the bugs but not the patient, so they must do so in a specific way which affects only the bacteria. For example, penicillin blocks one of the enzymes responsible for constructing the bacterial cell wall from doing its job. If the cell wall can’t be built the cell bursts and dies. Because bacterial cell walls are different to ours it doesn’t affect us. But because penicillin is so specific in what it does the bacteria can evolve ways to counteract it and become resistant. For example, the target enzyme can be modified very slightly so that it still works but penicillin can no longer react with it (target site modification - this is how MRSA works). Or a second very similar enzyme can be mass produced to intercept and inactivate the penicillin before it gets to where it needs to be to do any harm (competitive inhibition - how CPE works).

As I said... Very off topic so I’ll stop there.
Superb explanation. Thank you.
 

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If a Signalling cable has been in contact with the OLE there is presumably a fair bit of damage to the signalling system equipment too ?

Yes, they repaired the OLE overnight but the signalling on the Up Main is still kaput, so similar reduced service in play today daytime. Hopefully not a disruptive overnight possession to go with though
 

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Bristol Parkway - Newport is closed between 11-19 April. I think it's primarily to replace a road bridge but I expect they'll also be working in the Tunnel.
 

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Well this is wildly off topic, so I’ll answer your question then take it no further.

Disinfectants like chlorine are highly reactive and basically obliterate the microbial cells reacting with all the cellular apparatus: Denaturing proteins, the cell wall, even the DNA. A good analogy would be it’s like a bomb. Get in the blast and it will blow you apart and there’s not a lot you can do about it.

I wonder if UV lighting has been considered as a way of killing the bacteria.
 

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Not knowing too much about tunnel anaerobic bacteria,could they have started life when flushed onto the tracks from pre retention train toilets. Reading previous posts are they the similar to the bacteria found on oil rigs?
 

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Bristol Parkway - Newport is closed between 11-19 April. I think it's primarily to replace a road bridge but I expect they'll also be working in the Tunnel.
Off Topic alert...
Indeed, it is the bridge just south of Patchway station, over Gipsy Patch Lane. The new bridge is currently being built just west of the railway, south of the road.
The road will be closed for 8 months at the bridge from 5th March (including the closure of Station Road at its junction with Gipsy Patch Lane, so the only road access to Patchway station will be from the north along Station Road and Clay Lane.
 

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I do wonder how the cost of electrifying the tunnel at this point compares to what it would have cost to electrify from Cardiff to Swansea.
 
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