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TfW to operate Class 37s on the Rhymney Line

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Dai Corner

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The whole operation is a bit of a shambles. Nothing like the EWS locos that ran 15 years ago. The security staff do their best to make it an unpleasant experience. They won't even let people take photos at Rhymney. Search for Rhymney on Twitter.

They really should have thought of them as customer hosts, opening and closing doors, helping less mobile passengers on and off, letting enthusiasts enjoy the experience safely and employed staff with appropriate attitude and skills.
 
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The whole operation is a bit of a shambles. Nothing like the EWS locos that ran 15 years ago. The security staff do their best to make it an unpleasant experience. They won't even let people take photos at Rhymney. Search for Rhymney on Twitter.

A friend of mine travelled down a couple of months ago for a ride behind 37421 - probably around September(?). I had mentioned the security staff guarding the windows before he went, although I havn't been down myself but have heard the stories. As many enthusiasts have done on the service he stood by a slightly open window (no more than 3inches open!) on the first door behind the loco for the music throughout the journey and had a rude security woman taking the p*ss out of him for the entire length of the journey and telling him he was breaching health and safety by having the window slightly open!

I travelled the Cumbrian coast behind the DRS 37s operated by Northern a number of times, windows fully open mid December for the acoustics and obviously couldn't hang out due to the prison bars over the window. Thoroughly pleasant conductors onboard every time, no issues or snotty comments and clearly used to the enthusiasts onboard - every window was lined with enthusiasts on each occasion I went. I moved away from the doors when people were boarding/alighting, helped open doors for those who couldnt work out the "complex" handles, and helped lift a couple of suitcases up the step when people were struggling. I was planning a nip down to Cardiff for the TfW set, but given the cost of getting there from my end and the amount of negatives i've heard about the onboard security I decided not to bother. Shame really!
 

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Where would Colas get it from ? They don't have any more ETS 37s.
Which is one of the fundamental issues with this operation. TfW have only themselves to blame for going to a contractor who had only two suitable 50+ year old locos for two required in service.
 

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They really should have thought of them as customer hosts, opening and closing doors, helping less mobile passengers on and off, letting enthusiasts enjoy the experience safely and employed staff with appropriate attitude and skills.
They don't even help open or close the doors any more. The week before last, one of them tried to evacuate the front coach at Caerphilly because there was a bit of a smell from the exhaust.
 

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Which is one of the fundamental issues with this operation. TfW have only themselves to blame for going to a contractor who had only two suitable 50+ year old locos for two required in service.
37421 has been fine. I think it's only failed twice. 37418 is gutless. It takes 10 seconds longer through the tunnel compared with a good one.
 

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I have just read this on Facebook, and copied it to below ...

Confirmed;: Tommoz
37025 07.43 Rhymney Cardiff, 37418 rear for ETH etc.
37421 06.10.
 

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Which is one of the fundamental issues with this operation. TfW have only themselves to blame for going to a contractor who had only two suitable 50+ year old locos for two required in service.

37421 been the best of the 2 37/4's. Might have been better if they had gone for drs or maybe perhaps colas could have hired in another 37/4 from DRS in exchange for one of their other 37s.

Shane 37425 couldn't come down on the valleys in it's new livery
 

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2F10 this morning, 37025 on front and 37418 on rear, failed at Rhymney due brake release problem and ran down as 5F10 10+00 Rhymney to Canton. 2F10 started from Caerphilly with a unit off an Up service which terminated.
 

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37418 failed (again) this evening at Heath High Level on 2R24, fault unknown at the moment, and 37025 (on rear) working a 5R24 hauling the formation back to Canton. There are very strong rumours that 2R24 on Friday will be 3 x 153s with the last LHCS running down from Monday morning but no official announcement yet.
 

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37418 failed (again) this evening at Heath High Level on 2R24, fault unknown at the moment, and 37025 (on rear) working a 5R24 hauling the formation back to Canton. There are very strong rumours that 2R24 on Friday will be 3 x 153s with the last LHCS running down from Monday morning but no official announcement yet.

If further info from another Forum is correct 37418 was blameless this time, the parking brake had been left on on 37025
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but wouldn't 2x150 have more capacity than 3x153? Why don't tfw just go back to using 2x150 on peak Rhymney and CDF trains and use the 153's elsewhere? Again, sorry if I'm being stupid.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but wouldn't 2x150 have more capacity than 3x153? Why don't tfw just go back to using 2x150 on peak Rhymney and CDF trains and use the 153's elsewhere? Again, sorry if I'm being stupid.
No, you're right and not being stupid, a triple 153 is only a 69 metre train whereas a double 150 is an 80 metre train.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but wouldn't 2x150 have more capacity than 3x153? Why don't tfw just go back to using 2x150 on peak Rhymney and CDF trains and use the 153's elsewhere? Again, sorry if I'm being stupid.

153s aren't allowed North of Radyr so there's not a lot of other services on the Valley lines they can run.
 

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so the last loco operations is on Monday then? I'll cancel ideas of a trip down next week on my week off.
That's a shame!
 
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421 was on this morningView attachment 74265

We used to say back at Motherwell years ago that the only good thing about 421 was: "it got you there!" , i remember it rusting away in a right mess on the scrap line with 427 and co at the back of B&Q in EWS's dying days in 2007 thinking they will all never run again..
If you told me back then 421 and so many more would come back from the dead and it would be working passenger trains on the mainline again in 2020 on the Valley's of all places id have said your mad as a box of frogs!
Great to see it still hanging on all these years later.

Tomorrow is still the last planned northbound servce right?
 

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Think they planning on using a pair of class 153s attached to a 150 on one of the diagrams. Think 37421 doing the final trip down from rhymney Monday morning
 

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Is Monday morning the last trip for 37 421 and has 37 418 made its last journey already?
 

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There was a story doing the rounds yesterday that there would be an extension but all gone quiet since.
 

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They don't even help open or close the doors any more. The week before last, one of them tried to evacuate the front coach at Caerphilly because there was a bit of a smell from the exhaust.

The exhaust must have been pretty unhealthy - it won't be that uncommon to smell exhaust fumes when in the coach behind the 37.

I'm guessing however that in the tunnel between Lisvane & Thornhill and Caerphilly that the exhaust must have stayed in the coach - on the 14/08/19 I caught a lightly loaded 2-car 143 from Caerphilly back into Cardiff Central and even when sat near the front, fumes came into the train - when out of the tunnel, the fumes cleared.

Back to the 37's, looks like I came down to Cardiff Central just in time by the sound of it back in August!
 

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The exhaust must have been pretty unhealthy - it won't be that uncommon to smell exhaust fumes when in the coach behind the 37.

I'm guessing however that in the tunnel between Lisvane & Thornhill and Caerphilly that the exhaust must have stayed in the coach - on the 14/08/19 I caught a lightly loaded 2-car 143 from Caerphilly back into Cardiff Central and even when sat near the front, fumes came into the train - when out of the tunnel, the fumes cleared.

Back to the 37's, looks like I came down to Cardiff Central just in time by the sound of it back in August!
Yes it was in Caerphilly tunnel. Ironically delaying the train at Caerphilly meant it took longer for the smell to clear. And yes, sometimes Pacers stink of exhaust too.
 

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Yes it was in Caerphilly tunnel. Ironically delaying the train at Caerphilly meant it took longer for the smell to clear. And yes, sometimes Pacers stink of exhaust too.

It will be a thing of the past to be talked about nostalgically once the new trains are running through the tunnel on battery power. Though fans of diesel fumes will still be able to their fix once the engines fire up at Queen Street for the trip through to Penarth or Barry!
 
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