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My favourite: This train has been cancelled because of the train making extra stops because a train was cancelled
 

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There's a list of all of the Darwin cancellation reason codes at https://wiki.openraildata.com/index.php/Darwin:Cancellation_reason_codes_and_text - these are the codes used by passenger information systems. The Network Rail codes (which RTT use) are listed at https://wiki.openraildata.com/index.php?title=Delay_Attribution_Guide

The former contains such gems as "supermarket trolley on the railway" and "fire suspected to involve gas cyclinders" as well as the less specific "problem currently under investigation"
 

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TFW have replaced train crew shortage by "Resource Availability" thought to be at Union request.
 

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I particularly like the fact that there is a code to accommodate "passengers not having valid tickets" as reason for cancellation. Clearly it is a foreseen circumstance.

Naming no names, but if it catches on in some parts of the country, nothing will run at all!
 

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Not a cancellation but must have had them scrambling for stock without a fault maybe View attachment 74268

Not exactly ad verbatim but “more trains then usual needing repairs” is one of TfWs frequent excuses for a cancellation.

But I take it this was the Northern service with the mention of Leeds and Stalybridge.

Was it taken at one of the Manchester stations?

Saperstein.
 

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Not exactly ad verbatim but “more trains then usual needing repairs” is one of TfWs frequent excuses for a cancellation.

But I take it this was the Northern service with the mention of Leeds and Stalybridge.

Was it taken at one of the Manchester stations?

Saperstein.

And Northern as in #Post 10 and TFW mentioned already in Post #11 and to those you can add GWR
 

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Not exactly ad verbatim but “more trains then usual needing repairs” is one of TfWs frequent excuses for a cancellation.

But I take it this was the Northern service with the mention of Leeds and Stalybridge.

Was it taken at one of the Manchester stations?

Saperstein.
It was at Manchester Victoria 30/12/19.
The 'more repairs' made me smile because I had visions of the driver and support staff frantically trying various units until they found one that would go.
 

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Have I read the RTT extract correctly - the train was cancelled throughout - i.e. passengers without tickets were intercepted at the originating station? At first glance at the thread I assumed it was cancelled en route owing to a delay caused by police attendance or similar. This implies that inspections started before departure, but, without any travelling taking place is a ticket technically required?
 

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Remember that the wording you see on real time trains is their wording for each delay code.

Whilst VE may literally mean 'fare evaders' under the Delay Attribution Guide, delay attribution is to root cause. It could have been staff assault when fare vaders were challenged for tickets, for example.

Also delay codes often get updated when more information comes available or someone with more time can look into it and amends it to something that is more accurate.
 

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I particularly like the fact that there is a code to accommodate "passengers not having valid tickets" as reason for cancellation. Clearly it is a foreseen circumstance.

Naming no names, but if it catches on in some parts of the country, nothing will run at all!
There would be something terribly wrong with the system if it wasn't foreseen - it happens often enough!
 

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There would be something terribly wrong with the system if it wasn't foreseen - it happens often enough!

Yeah - fair enough, but what I meant (but didn't make clear) is that not only does the system expect fare evaders, it even expects them to make such a fuss as to make it necessary to cancel a train. I wonder if you get a discount on the fine for being a polite and co-operative fare evader, thus saving the railway money?!?

Or do you get a third off [the fine] for being a Railcard 'scally'? Seems reasonable - after all such ticket holders would essentially get a third off their Delay Repay compensation when such a train is cancelled!
 

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My favourite: This train has been cancelled because of the train making extra stops because a train was cancelled

Very common during the halcyon days of the great GTR timetable bodge up. Myself a repeat victim of this.
 

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Have I read the RTT extract correctly - the train was cancelled throughout - i.e. passengers without tickets were intercepted at the originating station? At first glance at the thread I assumed it was cancelled en route owing to a delay caused by police attendance or similar. This implies that inspections started before departure, but, without any travelling taking place is a ticket technically required?

Or on a previous service.

The train's previous working lost 10 minutes at the penultimate stop, which was probably where an "incident" of some sort, be it verbal or physical assault, who knows, happened.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G21697/2020-02-19/detailed
 

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I'd suggest that whilst yes that's the reason, its more than likely a disturbance caused by passengers refusing to pay, police getting involved etc. As this was cancelled throughout, I presume the actual delay was on the inbound service.
 

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Another northern one .Calder valley lines favourite due to the planned service being replaced by a slower train. Cannot get any slower than that.
 

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Why is “more trains than usual needing repairs” seen by some as an “excuse”? It’s a perfectly good reason!
Yesterday, I had to send out a 4 vice 8 Class 387 formation as one 387 didn’t make it off it’s B Exam in time for morning service, instead of the 4 units we can have on maintenance we ended up with 5 leaving us one short for traffic, so that “excuse” is actually spot on.

As usual the armchair experts with their ‘tin-foil’ conspiracy hats on, obviously know better!
 

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Why is “more trains than usual needing repairs” seen by some as an “excuse”? It’s a perfectly good reason!
Yesterday, I had to send out a 4 vice 8 Class 387 formation as one 387 didn’t make it off it’s B Exam in time for morning service, instead of the 4 units we can have on maintenance we ended up with 5 leaving us one short for traffic, so that “excuse” is actually spot on.

As usual the armchair experts with their ‘tin-foil’ conspiracy hats on, obviously know better!

Because they use it a lot. If you have loads of services cancelled for it a day, you either have a serious lack of stock (which is actually the case, due to the Pacer issue) or are lying (which is what the public think)

Edit: Just counted 39 services across Northern that yesterday (Thursday 20th) were either cancelled, delayed or short formed due to a larger number of trains being repaired than normal. Yes, the area served by Northern is big, but that's still a lot.
 
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