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I agree with all this.

A case in point is the M6. On Mon-Sat PCB are only running the first two journeys, plus, in winter only, the last three journeys. This suggests that FK have registered the Summer evening service commercially. On Sundays the PCB service is two hourly, increasing to hourly in the evenings, suggesting that FK have registered an interworking two hourly service during the daytime.

Joint ticketing surely has to be in place in this instance.
Back to two operators together on the Mousehole service then, just like when Harvey's of Mousehole interworked with Western National. The summer Sunday M6 has been half hourly more recently, unless my memory on that is proving faulty too, so FK would provide three journeys out of every four if that was to be maintained. It's a recipe for confusion, and not just for passengers. Yes, the ticketing arrangements will be vital, and that MUST be sorted before the shebang gets rolling, but there's a lot more to be sorted too. Cornwall Council may come to regret being so doctrinaire in prescribing one operator for all tendered services regardless of circumstances.
 
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Back to two operators together on the Mousehole service then, just like when Harvey's of Mousehole interworked with Western National. The summer Sunday M6 has been half hourly more recently, unless my memory on that is proving faulty too, so FK would provide three journeys out of every four if that was to be maintained. It's a recipe for confusion, and not just for passengers. Yes, the ticketing arrangements will be vital, and that MUST be sorted before the shebang gets rolling, but there's a lot more to be sorted too. Cornwall Council may come to regret being so doctrinaire in prescribing one operator for all tendered services regardless of circumstances.
I don't think they did prescribe it. There were 29 bidders, 25 of which were small/medium enterprises. They would not have bid for the whole package.
 

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GCB have registered a Service 21. Roughly hourly service. Runs Newquay - St. Austell on Mondays to Saturdays but Sunday and Bank Holiday journeys operating beyond St. Austell to / from Charlestown.

Meanwhile I am surprised as to the lack of daytime journeys between St. Austell and Mevagissey with the new Service 24 TT giving morning and evening journeys only. I imagine something will come in as a daytime service. Or perhaps FK will cover the 24 daytime journeys on a commercial basis?

Dave

24 is commercial for FK
 

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Just been having a look at the timetables for GCB's Service 95 (Bude - Camelford - Wadebridge - Truro) compared to that currently run by FK. Good to see an extra journey in each direction on Mondays to Saturdays (except Public Holidays) with shorter gaps between buses. The Wadebridge to Truro section has 5 journeys in each direction with GCB compared to 4 each way under First Kernow.

The GCB timetable for Service 236 (Launceston - Pensilva - Liskeard) also includes extra journeys in each direction for Launceston College. The timetable for Services 12, 12A and 12B (Plymouth - Launceston - Bude) is also revised wef 29-Mar-2020 with some Service 12B journeys serving Launceston College and a route variation (via. Hornacot) on those journeys.

Timetables all on TravelineSW.
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An interesting point I’ve noticed. First have deregistered the 93, and no citybus alternative. St Columb major appears to only have the 5 daily 95 services mentioned in the previous post
 

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I note that Stagecoach are running the 128 until 30/3/20 but PCB not starting to 1/4/20. Whoops!

The 13.48 and 14.48 service 25 during school terms runs from Newquay twice!

Does the 515 really start from Marazion to go to Hayle, as it goes to Penzance in the other direction?

Found another error the 47 never returns to Camborne terminates at Pengegon Roundabout

On a more positive note what will be the first PCB service to run on a new Cornwall route on Sunday 29th March?
The 56 from Newquay out to the airport leaving at 06.00 must be a strong contender.
Anybody going to be out for it?
 

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They’ve got 5 mousehole round trips a day. A senior citybus employee has commented on Facebook they as yet have no vehicle that will come even close to fitting into mousehole
 

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They’ve got 5 mousehole round trips a day. A senior citybus employee has commented on Facebook they as yet have no vehicle that will come even close to fitting into mousehole
They should have thought about that when they bid. The issues with Mousehole aren't exactly unknown.

I've just searched Bus and Coach Buyer and there's a 65 plate 7.9m slimline Solo going for £65k. Sorted! :D
 
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They should have thought about that when they bid. The issues with Mousehole aren't exactly unknown.

I've just searched Bus and Coach Buyer and there's a 65 plate 7.9m slimline Solo going for £65k. Sorted! :D

The two morning journeys will need 2 vehicles.
 

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They’ve got 5 mousehole round trips a day. A senior citybus employee has commented on Facebook they as yet have no vehicle that will come even close to fitting into mousehole
What did Kernow plan to use if they won the contract, don't think they anything available in the whole Firstbus fleet, given that they have struggled to keep the current timetable and buses going
 

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What did Kernow plan to use if they won the contract, don't think they anything available in the whole Firstbus fleet, given that they have struggled to keep the current timetable and buses going
The vehicles they currently use!
 

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The two morning journeys will need 2 vehicles.
There's a way round the problem, not that I'd recommend it. Bus A leaves Mousehole at 0701, due Newlyn Bridge 0710. Bus B is due at Newlyn Bridge at 0715. Small bus A is swapped for BIG bus B which has arrived from Penzance on that second journey. Everything in and out of Mousehole gets worked by the small bus, and Newlyn to Penzance gets one journey in each direction run by a larger bus (even a decker, if you like.) Shame for the poor passengers, of course, and a lot of hassle for the drivers, but if it saves embarassment for Cornwall Council, it will all have been worth it.:lol:
 

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It is a pity that Optare no longer produce a SE length bus, as that would solve things - even an Alero is only 10 cm longer.

I would imagine the only thing comparable in terms of length and width would be a Mellor Tucana, which is used by TfL on Dial a Ride services. However, seating capacities would be very small on those. The shortest Strata is actually comparable to a short Solo.
 

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It is a pity that Optare no longer produce a SE length bus, as that would solve things - even an Alero is only 10 cm longer.

I would imagine the only thing comparable in terms of length and width would be a Mellor Tucana, which is used by TfL on Dial a Ride services. However, seating capacities would be very small on those. The shortest Strata is actually comparable to a short Solo.
They still do a 7.9m slimline, which is basically the same size as the current Mousehole Solos.
 

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The vehicles they currently use!

Not part of the lower emissions requirement then for the council supported services?

FSW bid was based 100% euro 6. The current solos aren’t euro 6.

They still do a 7.9m slimline, which is basically the same size as the current Mousehole Solos.

What length are the little ones for the 50/51/22. I believe they were tested unsuccessfully for mousehole when the demonstrator was here before they were ordered.
 

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FSW bid was based 100% euro 6. The current solos aren’t euro 6.



What length are the little ones for the 50/51/22. I believe they were tested unsuccessfully for mousehole when the demonstrator was here before they were ordered.
8.5m. Too long for Mousehole.
 

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FSW bid was based 100% euro 6. The current solos aren’t euro 6.



What length are the little ones for the 50/51/22. I believe they were tested unsuccessfully for mousehole when the demonstrator was here before they were ordered.
So Kernow dodge a bullet there then?
 

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There's plenty of 7.8m Euro IV and above Solos on the market of the old design in case the SR body creates issues with Mousehole. These can be retrofitted to Euro VI emissions no problem.
 

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Or there's the Mellor Orion Plus 7.97m long 2.2m wide and up to 22 seats. It comes on a Fiat Ducato chassis and electric versions are available.
 

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I agree with all this.

A case in point is the M6. On Mon-Sat PCB are only running the first two journeys, plus, in winter only, the last three journeys. This suggests that FK have registered the Summer evening service commercially.

Will First Kernow be caught out by having to run commercial services at strange times without winning the tendered services which would have filled in the rest of the shift?
 

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Will First Kernow be caught out by having to run commercial services at strange times without winning the tendered services which would have filled in the rest of the shift?
They're free to deregister anything that isn't worth operating. They can cancel commercial services whenever they like.
 

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It is a pity that Optare no longer produce a SE length bus, as that would solve things - even an Alero is only 10 cm longer.
The Alero, is the worst bus ever built by Optare. The steering lock was very poor on them. I could, and have got a 12-metre coach round tighter corners, then I could the Optare Alero round.
 

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The Alero, is the worst bus ever built by Optare. The steering lock was very poor on them. I could, and have got a 12-metre coach round tighter corners, then I could the Optare Alero round.

Solo SR have an awful lock. The short ones can’t make the turn at st Austell bus station if there’s buses parked in the layover bays. 11m deckers go round easy
 

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