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Ilford drivers sign 317 already so a few modified diagrams could cover some of the shortfall by running to Ipswich and Braintree.
The peak 12-car services to Braintree, however, require unit deselect, which the 317s probably don't have I'm guessing? (If 317s are even allowed to operate in 12-car formation), so that'll be a short-form anyway for those services.
 
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The 317's can work in 12 car, they just don't on the WA because most platforms are only 8 long. When the airport 745's start coming on stream, each unit should knock out 2x379 units to replace 317's on WA, which could be used on the GE. 317's and 321's are almost identical apart from different cab layout and other cosmetic differences so wouldn't require more than a days conversion I'm sure.
 

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The 2016 Franchise Agreement requires SDO beacons to be installed at 96 platforms so 12 car 317s can operate on West Anglia. Like many other things - Train Service Requirement 2, TSR3, various platform extensions, station redevelopment at Brox and Cheshunt - it has not been delivered.
 

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The 2016 Franchise Agreement requires SDO beacons to be installed at 96 platforms so 12 car 317s can operate on West Anglia. Like many other things - Train Service Requirement 2, TSR3, various platform extensions, station redevelopment at Brox and Cheshunt - it has not been delivered.
Presumably a point in time was reached where it was decided this would be wasteful given the 317 is being replaced?
 

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GA knew exactly what they were committing to when they signed Franchise Agreement. They agreed to install the beacons by 31 October 2018. As far as I know they made no attempt to deliver on this commitment.

But yes now it would be pointless. What would not be pointless would be to deliver longer platforms at Elsenham, Enfield Lock, Hartford East, Ware, St Margaret's, Manningtree and Wickford. All also required by Sept18 and seemingly forgotten.
 

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Much as it is difficult to predict the future, I can’t see 379s operating in the GE, much as I would like to see that happen. It would be a perfect fit to replace the 360s. Hope for a larger delay to make it worth their while to train the crews and the handover to 720s would be more stable.
 

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Sign of things to come? 10.30 Norwich to London a 4-car unit - assuming a bin?
 

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Sign of things to come? 10.30 Norwich to London a 4-car unit - assuming a bin?

Bin availability probably not helped by the landslip on the Southend line, but this summer it's quite likely that almost no trains will be 12 cars because of the various delays so any short formed EMU will be 4 cars in the summer.
 

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6 debranded GA coaches were taken from Norwich to Newport this morning by a CL37, presumably these are going for scrap?
 

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The peak 12-car services to Braintree, however, require unit deselect, which the 317s probably don't have I'm guessing? (If 317s are even allowed to operate in 12-car formation), so that'll be a short-form anyway for those services.
You could also stick a 317 in a 321 sandwich for any fixed 12 car diagrams. They can run in service together and frequently did when the 321s first arrived on the Northampton line in 1989.
 

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You could also stick a 317 in a 321 sandwich for any fixed 12 car diagrams. They can run in service together and frequently did when the 321s first arrived on the Northampton line in 1989.

That would still limit them to Ilford driver diagrams as they are the only depot on the East that signs them.
 

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Maybe Greater Anglia can talk with the owners of those Northern bins which are off-lease and stored at Crewe for a short-term loan.

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On another note, is there any news on 321448?
 

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Maybe Greater Anglia can talk with the owners of those Northern bins which are off-lease and stored at Crewe for a short-term loan.

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On another note, is there any news on 321448?
It's a possibility but that's 8 units against 21 360s and 30 379s. It'll help but it doesn't resolve the problem by itself.
 

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6 debranded GA coaches were taken from Norwich to Newport this morning by a CL37, presumably these are going for scrap?
Bit of a shame as while they're knackered for mainline use, they have a nice interior and retention toilets.
You think they'd be idle for charter or the like
 

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Bit of a shame as while they're knackered for mainline use, they have a nice interior and retention toilets.
You think they'd be idle for charter or the like

There was a rumour the A1 Trust wanted some for a high speed rake to use with Tornado. Not sure if there was any truth in that or if there is still a chance.
 

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Bit of a shame as while they're knackered for mainline use, they have a nice interior and retention toilets.
You think they'd be idle for charter or the like
We’re talking about six carriages out of a fleet of 130, there will be plenty more coming off lease. There certainly isn’t charter work for the entire fleet and those in the worst condition or in need of an exam would have been the first taken out of service.
 

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We’re talking about six carriages out of a fleet of 130, there will be plenty more coming off lease. There certainly isn’t charter work for the entire fleet and those in the worst condition or in need of an exam would have been the first taken out of service.

The ex-Anglia Mk2's and DBSO's were in awful condition yet that junk is still knocking about in charter stock.
 

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True. You'd certainly the ones going for scrap would be the well and truly knackered ones.
 

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The peak 12-car services to Braintree, however, require unit deselect, which the 317s probably don't have I'm guessing? (If 317s are even allowed to operate in 12-car formation), so that'll be a short-form anyway for those services.
Yes 317s can run 12 car. They worked the odd Sunday to Chelmsford or Marks Tey last year. Also a triple 317 worked a weekday morning Chelmsford to LST vice triple 321 last year.

The GN 12 (317337 to 348) have some sort of selective door opening which was used between Cambridge and Royston in the morning peak. I don't know if that would be suitable for the Braintree line.
 

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Also 317’s don’t have route availability on the Southend branch. Would strike the platforms at Billericay.
 

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So quite a few 317's have to be withdrawn mid April due to PRM non-compliance. Yet the 720's are nowhere near looking like coming into service. Will the 317's get a PRM extension?
The same applies to loco hauled sets. PRM derogation lasts until April 1, but not looking like the remaining 745's are going to come into service that quickly.
 

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So quite a few 317's have to be withdrawn mid April due to PRM non-compliance. Yet the 720's are nowhere near looking like coming into service. Will the 317's get a PRM extension?
The same applies to loco hauled sets. PRM derogation lasts until April 1, but not looking like the remaining 745's are going to come into service that quickly.

April fools by any chance
 

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the government has a choice - issue further derogation or be blamed for mass cancellations
 

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The PRM deadline was put there to ensure that new stock was ordered. It has been, it will be in service as soon as it can be. Nobody is served by refusing an extension to the derogations, it won't make the PRM compliant stock reach service any faster
 

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So quite a few 317's have to be withdrawn mid April due to PRM non-compliance. Yet the 720's are nowhere near looking like coming into service. Will the 317's get a PRM extension?
The same applies to loco hauled sets. PRM derogation lasts until April 1, but not looking like the remaining 745's are going to come into service that quickly.
The 317s with the April deadline are the 27 chosen for PRM mods. A lot have already been done so they should be nearly done by April. Clacton and Kilmarnock are both doing the mods. The next deadline for 317s is October.
 

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The 317s with the April deadline are the 27 chosen for PRM mods. A lot have already been done so they should be nearly done by April. Clacton and Kilmarnock are both doing the mods. The next deadline for 317s is October.
So, which 317s have been to Clacton for mods?
AIUI, the following have been to Kilmarnock:
337-338, 342, 501, 504, 506.
 
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