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Salisbury to Romsey blocked by a land slip.

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just a punt but Salisbury to Gatwick via Barnham is not currently achievable. Could This would be an easement to allow via Clapham?
Yes, but they wouldn’t describe that as an “SWR passengers” route surely? But it’s quite common for stuff to come up on that NRES page that’s stale info from previous problems...
 
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Another thing I’ve just noticed, is that SWR and GWR are both running 1Zxx head codes through fareham, and the numbers seem to follow each other. I can see some phone calls from the signaller to the drivers asking them to confirm which service they are. Poor signaller!
 

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Romsey rounders are reinstated next week but only east of Romsey. Also NR are evidently saying that they cannot begin assessing the damage until the floods in the field have subsided-which might be a while yet.

I just noticed that GWR are now no longer running anything between Romsey and Salisbury. When was that announced?
 
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Romsey rounders are reinstated next week but only east of Romsey. Also NR are evidently saying that they cannot begin assessing the damage until the floods in the field have subsided-which might be a while yet.
Given how little they probably know about what’s going on under these embankments, (all over the railway), I thought it was a bit optimistic to assume only one side has a problem. Could still end up as the type of rebuild needed a Botley a few years ago, once they can get at it...
 

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Romsey rounders are reinstated next week but only east of Romsey. Also NR are evidently saying that they cannot begin assessing the damage until the floods in the field have subsided-which might be a while yet.

I just noticed that GWR are now no longer running anything between Romsey and Salisbury. When was that announced?

Only ran on Wednesday.
 

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Didn't know crosscountry drivers signed laberstock. Can you explain the diversion ?you mean Salisbury?

Some cross country crew sign Netley/Havant/Guildford, and some also some via Romsey and Andover. Not sure about Chandlers ford.

I was referring to it being unusual that SwR were not sending Weymouth services via Havant.

I’ve seen you’re on moderation, if possible can you start a conversation with me? It won’t let me open a chat with you.
 

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Didn't know crosscountry drivers signed laberstock. Can you explain the diversion ?you mean Salisbury?

There is a single track chord between Laverstock South & Laverstock North junctions to allow services to head towards Andover from Romsey without needing to reverse at Salisbury.

Normally only one Sunday morning ECS move for XC does it, but used for diverts when the mainline via Winchester is closed.
 

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They are in the normal Saturday timetable all year round. They extend to the Swanage Railway in the summer period. Also noteworthy is the fact that in a thread recently it was discovered there are no fares for the journey...

It would appear to me that a Travelcard plus a BZ6-Weymouth (Any Permitted) would be valid on the direct train rule? (The fares from Waterloo are all geographically routed).

I'm half tempted to go for a ride! Though I bet it'll be busy tomorrow as the only through direct train.
 

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It would appear to me that a Travelcard plus a BZ6-Weymouth (Any Permitted) would be valid on the direct train rule? (The fares from Weymouth are all geographically routed).

I'm half tempted to go for a ride!
Yes I only looked at Waterloo to Weymouth, they are either via Southampton or via Westbury. On the face of it a ridiculous state of affairs, but as you’ll note from my earlier post about easements for diversions, SWR and SWT before them seem to have a Chinese wall between fares and timetable departments...
 

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Yes I only looked at Waterloo to Weymouth, they are either via Southampton or via Westbury. On the face of it a ridiculous state of affairs, but as you’ll note from my earlier post about easements for diversions, SWR and SWT before them seem to have a Chinese wall between fares and timetable departments...

I would bet that...

(a) Tomorrow it will be quite busy
(b) Tickets "via Southampton" will be accepted on it without question, given that "via Southampton" really just means "not GWR", but you can't do a TOC specific routeing if you own the flow.
 

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GWR have pulled all their services on the Portsmouth end of the route with the exception of the Brighton, with only 2 units available. 1 2 car and 1 3 car. It would appear that this morning is the first use of a turbo to Brighton.
 

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How did GWR end up with so few units East of the incident? At practically any point in the timetable, there are always three diagrams with units present East of Romsey?
 

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How did GWR end up with so few units East of the incident? At practically any point in the timetable, there are always three diagrams with units present East of Romsey?

i believe the single line working led to lots of units going west, but not much coming the other way.
Either way it’s a bit naff for passengers and staff alike. With a bit of cooperation it shouldn’t be too hard to get GWR units east for over a months worth of disruption?
 

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Or if nothing else, a bit of co-operation to replace the fast Southampton - Pompey service on the electrics.

What are GWR doing with their spare crew at Fratton? I’m assuming Westbury crew are covering West of Salisbury.
 

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Or if nothing else, a bit of co-operation to replace the fast Southampton - Pompey service on the electrics.

What are GWR doing with their spare crew at Fratton? I’m assuming Westbury crew are covering West of Salisbury.

very little by the sounds of things.

SWR don’t currently have the staff to take the slack up on the Netley road with a fast, and during the peaks they use as much stock as possible.
 

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So the official statement on GWRs Twitter is that they will not be operating any services east of Salisbury.

Just me or does anyone else think that this is absolutely poor show?
 

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So the official statement on GWRs Twitter is that they will not be operating any services east of Salisbury.

Just me or does anyone else think that this is absolutely poor show?
GWR website says "GWR is operating train services between Portsmouth Harbour and Brighton.". So they don't seem to know themselves what they are doing.
 

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When you consider there is a crew depot and normally they have four sets stabled at Fratton overnight, it’s appalling. There is platform availability which would allow them to run Romsey - Fratton at worst.

The idea is that by not running the service you push passengers via Reading instead of the replacement bus services. Ticket acceptance now in place.

That fails to consider anyone who uses the GWR service in South Hampshire and now has a significantly longer commute.
 

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When you consider there is a crew depot and normally they have four sets stabled at Fratton overnight, it’s appalling. There is platform availability which would allow them to run Romsey - Fratton at worst.

The idea is that by not running the service you push passengers via Reading instead of the replacement bus services. Ticket acceptance now in place.

That fails to consider anyone who uses the GWR service in South Hampshire and now has a significantly longer commute.

Why not ask GWR why they are not doing that rather than rant on here ?. I'm sure that there is a very good reason and that all options have been explored.
 

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Why not ask GWR why they are not doing that rather than rant on here ?. I'm sure that there is a very good reason and that all options have been explored.

I’ve had a few dealings with the GWR twitter team recently and they were less than helpful, the same goes with their customer service department.

the purpose of asking on here is that someone may have internal information that they can share which may not be available via the usual social media channels.

I certainly would not have classed that as a ‘rant’ but if you believe it was that’s your prerogative.
 

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I've always thought that the fast Southampton-Portsmouth service should be a SWR electric, with the dreadful cramped and smelly GWR diesel stuff terminating at Southampton. What a waste of a third rail!

But I normally get shouted down here when I venture this opinion... :)
 

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I've always thought that the fast Southampton-Portsmouth service should be a SWR electric, with the dreadful cramped and smelly GWR diesel stuff terminating at Southampton. What a waste of a third rail!

But I normally get shouted down here when I venture this opinion... :)

as part of the franchise SWR was supposed to be running more Netley services but this hasn’t happened.

the inter-regional service plays an important part, and having through services is convenient therefore attractive to passengers. Adding an extra change at Southampton for passengers heading west would be unpopular, especially considering anyone trying to get to the Deep South west still needs to change again at Westbury or Bristol.
 

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I've always thought that the fast Southampton-Portsmouth service should be a SWR electric, with the dreadful cramped and smelly GWR diesel stuff terminating at Southampton. What a waste of a third rail!

But I normally get shouted down here when I venture this opinion... :)
I’ve thought the same. They could even conveniently make Southampton P5 into a “Cardiff Bay”...

If they ever start, as per the franchise spec, SWR’s semifast Portsmouth - Southamptons should relieve the GWR services a bit as well...
 

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I’ve thought the same. They could even conveniently make Southampton P5 into a “Cardiff Bay”...

I’m sure cutting all the direct trains from Pompey to Salisbury/Westbury for connections to the West Country (still quite a big naval flow) and direct trains from Pompey to Bristol etc would go down really well in a public timetable consultation....

Sounds like an operational solution not a passenger friendly one
 

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Sounds like an operational solution not a passenger friendly one
It would be extremely friendly for passengers who want to get between Southampton and Portsmouth quickly, comfortably, quietly and cleanly (air-quality wise).

And my impression (purely as a passenger and not based on any stats) is that the trains pretty much empty out at Southampton and refill there with new passengers - one reason the 158s always lose so much time there as people file out through the narrow doors...
 
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