Any Permitted vs Any- Permitted

Confused52 · 2 Mar 2020

I have observed tickets between the same Origin and Destination where one SDR is routed Any Permitted Route 00000 and the other is Any - Permitted Route 01000. What is the difference and why are two versions of Any Permitted in existence?

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Haywain · 2 Mar 2020

No difference at all, and it’s due to an oversight in not removing the route 00000 fare.

Confused52 · 2 Mar 2020

Well the 01000 is 33% more expensive than the 00000 SDR fare and both are set by RWB and it seems odd. The higher fares are set from only two adjacent origin stations and the fares from the stations either side are at a lower rate. I suspect that the error was actually putting the higher fare in at all for a new station WAW, copied to SNK, when there was already an existing fare that covered both to CTR (from Q129). The routing guide allows travel both ways via LPY and 0445.

LA50041 · 2 Mar 2020

Confused52 said:
Well the 01000 is 33% more expensive than the 00000 SDR fare and both are set by RWB and it seems odd. The higher fares are set from only two adjacent origin stations and the fares from the stations either side are at a lower rate. I suspect that the error was actually putting the higher fare in at all for a new station WAW, copied to SNK, when there was already an existing fare that covered both to CTR (from Q129). The routing guide allows travel both ways via LPY and 0445.

Any chance of explanation of those acronyms as per forum rules, RWB? WAW? SNK?

CrispyUK · 2 Mar 2020

RWB has me stumped but guessing the rest are stations:

WAW = Warrington West
SNK = Sankey for Penketh
CTR = Chester
LPY = Liverpool South Parkway

Saperstein · 2 Mar 2020

Are you harking back to the days when it was Arriva Trains Wales?

RWB = Regional Railways Wales & Borders

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CyrusWuff · 2 Mar 2020

Confused52 said:
I have observed tickets between the same Origin and Destination where one SDR is routed Any Permitted Route 00000 and the other is Any - Permitted Route 01000. What is the difference and why are two versions of Any Permitted in existence?

From a ticket issuing point of view, those on route 00000 will generally print "Valid via any permitted route" on revised format tickets and "ANY PERMITTED" in the route field on old format ones, whilst those on route 01000 either print nothing or a ".".

Confused52 · 2 Mar 2020

CrispyUK said:
RWB has me stumped but guessing the rest are stations:

WAW = Warrington West
SNK = Sankey for Penketh
CTR = Chester
LPY = Liverpool South Parkway

Indeed these are the correct locations for the CRS ( once upon a time Customer Reservation System) codes which define locations which are stations from and to which fares may be purchased.
As for RWB it is not an acronym but also a code, this time used in the Fare TOC records in the Fares data Feed, and indicates
RWB= TRANSPORT FOR WALES RAIL, still shown in the Timetable as AW.

kieron · 3 Mar 2020

There could be some differences in what you can do with a fares with route 00000 and one with the same origin and destination but with route 01000, because of the way the routeing guide deals with the "fare check", and due to "easements" which specify a route code.

Most of the time there is absolutely no difference, though, and I think this is the case here.

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