Class 397 TPE "Nova 2" Diagrams

_toommm_ · 3 Mar 2020

Hi folks,

I can't quite remember which post has the diagrams on, so could anyone tell me if the 13:08 from Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport on Wednesday is a 397 please?

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MDB1images · 3 Mar 2020

_toommm_ said:
Hi folks,

I can't quite remember which post has the diagrams on, so could anyone tell me if the 13:08 from Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport on Wednesday is a 397 please?

13:08 is currently a 350.
11:08 ex Glasgow is the one in the morning from Scotland and 10:12 & 12:12 ex Edinburgh.

_toommm_ · 3 Mar 2020

MDB1images said:
13:08 is currently a 350.
11:08 ex Glasgow is the one in the morning from Scotland and 10:12 & 12:12 ex Edinburgh.

Bugger! Thank you for the answer though

Jamesrob637 · 4 Mar 2020

Not the Glasgow today though from the looks of things!

MDB1images · 4 Mar 2020

Jamesrob637 said:
Not the Glasgow today though from the looks of things!

Nothing running to Glasgow with the wires down now!
I think 397007 was on the 06:04 Air-EDB so at least one in Scotland for later tonight/early tomorrow when the line reopens.
397003 was on the 08:04 Air-EDB caped at Carlisle.

GW43125 · 4 Mar 2020

I'm not sure if I've misunderstood the diagram posts, but is there currently just the one diagram on a Saturday?
Thanks.

driver9000 · 5 Mar 2020

GW43125 said:
I'm not sure if I've misunderstood the diagram posts, but is there currently just the one diagram on a Saturday?
Thanks.

There are 3. Same as weekdays.

XC90 · 5 Mar 2020

Is the 1307 glc to Manchester a 397 today? Coming up from man piccadilly after being cancelled from the airport.

SuperNova · 5 Mar 2020

driver9000 said:
There are 3. Same as weekdays.

Should be 4 - started this week.

GW43125 · 5 Mar 2020

driver9000 said:
There are 3. Same as weekdays.

Ah, the Mon-Fri diagrams carry on to Saturday do they?

Thanks.

driver9000 · 5 Mar 2020

GW43125 said:
Ah, the Mon-Fri diagrams carry on to Saturday do they?

Thanks.

Should be the same workings.

driver9000 · 5 Mar 2020

SuperNova said:
Should be 4 - started this week.

Which diagram has become the 4th? I can only find 3 today.

MDB1images · 5 Mar 2020

From memory I think it's hoped to add 2 more diagrams next week.
Think 397009 left Kingmoor on Tuesday after storage.

GW43125 · 5 Mar 2020

driver9000 said:
Should be the same workings.

Thanks a lot

Jamesrob637 · 5 Mar 2020

Six weeks till Easter. 2 more diagrams. 6 in total
Around halfway there
If this was a school report, I'd say "Could do better"

NewSt · 8 Mar 2020

Hi,

Does anybody know if any 397s will be in Manchester today between 11:30 and 16:30 please?

Thanks in advance.

kc_ · 8 Mar 2020

NewSt said:
Hi,

Does anybody know if any 397s will be in Manchester today between 11:30 and 16:30 please?

Thanks in advance.

If it's the same diagrams as weekdays, 1407, 1507 and 1607 departures from MIA should be 397.

JonathanH · 8 Mar 2020

kc_ said:
If it's the same diagrams as weekdays, 1407, 1507 and 1607 departures from MIA should be 397.

It isn't. Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly is shut for engineering work.

Tiger indicated that the 0926 from Manchester Piccadilly to Glasgow Central was a 397 this morning.

NewSt · 8 Mar 2020

The 11:25 also appears to be one so I’m going to try my luck on that one. Thanks for all your help.

JonathanH · 8 Mar 2020

NewSt said:
The 11:25 also appears to be one so I’m going to try my luck on that one. Thanks for all your help.

5S51 has just appeared on the Traksy signalling diagram at Longsight so looks good for being a 397.

JonathanH · 8 Mar 2020

From RTT, the eight diagrams for Manchester to Scotland trains are today:
1. 5S38 0828 XML-MAN / 1S38 0843 MAN-EDB / 1M97 1212 EDB-MAN / 5S75 1529 MAN-MAN / 1S75 1626 MAN-EDB / 1M95 2015 EDB-MAN / 5H95 2326 MAN-XML
2. 5S40 0854 XML-MAN / 1S40 0922 MAN-GLC / 1M98 1306 GLC-MAN / 5S81 1629 MAN-MAN / 1S81 1726 MAN-GLC / 1M96 2108 GLC-CAR
3. 5S46 0819 XPT-MCV / 1S46 1030 MCV-EDB / 1M99 1412 EDB-MAN / 5S83 1726 MAN-MAN / 1S83 1826 MAN-EDB / 1M67 2210 EDB-MAN / 5H97 0150 EDB-XML
4. 5S51 1109 XML-MAN / 1S51 1125 MAN-GLC / 1M90 1505 GLC-MAN / 5S85 1829 MAN-MAN / 1S85 1926 MAN-GLC / 5S86 2300 GLC-XPD
5. 5M63 0803 XPD-GLC / 1M63 0825 GLC-MCV / 5S56 1200 MCV-MCV / 1S56 1231 MCV-EDB / 1M91 1614 EDB-MCV / 5S88 1929 MAN-MAN / 1S88 2026 MAN-EDB / 5S88 2353 EDB-EDB
6. 1M64 1157 PRE-MAN / 5M64 1243 MAN-MAN / 1S61 1326 MAN-GLC / 1M92 1704 GLC-MAN / 5S92 2029 MAN-MAN / 1S92 2126 MAN-GLC
7. 5M95 0824 XPD-EDB / 1M93 1013 EDB-MAN / 5S66 1329 MAN-MAN / 1S66 1426 MAN-EDB / 1M93 1814 EDB-MAN / 5W93 2133 MAN-XRK
8. 5M96 1032 XPD-GLC / 1M96 1105 GLC-MAN / 5S71 1429 MAN-MAN / 1S71 1526 MAN-GLC / 1M94 1915 GLC-MAN / 5S98 2230 MAN-MAN / 1S98 2315 MAN-PRE / 5S98 0006 PRE-XPT

XML = Longsight, XRK = Ardwick, XPT = Preston C.S. XPD = Polmadie, MAN = Manchester Piccadilly, MCV = Manchester Victoria, EDB = Edinburgh, GLC = Glasgow Central, PRE = Preston, CAR = Carlisle

Thanks to a tip-off elsewhere, the TPE app indicates, TPE journey check and starting points, I reckon:
1. 350 - is shown on journey check as being 4-car instead of 5-car and started at Ardwick instead of Longsight so is a 350
2. 397 - was shown on Tiger as having 5 coaches so presume is a 397
3. 397 - started Preston and ends Longsight so is presumably a 397 diagram
4. 397 - starts Longsight and has been shown on Tiger as having 5-coaches so is presumably a 397
5. 350 - would expect this to be a 350 as starts / ends in Scotland
6. 185 - (1M64 starts Preston instead of Edinburgh today) this is a 185 working a 350 diagram based on TPE app
7. 350 - ends Ardwick so is likely to be a 350 (confirmed on TPE app)
8. 397 - has typically been a 397 diagram in recent weeks (confirmed on TPE app)

Happy to be corrected by someone who has actual information on this.

NewSt · 8 Mar 2020

JonathanH said:
5S51 has just appeared on the Traksy signalling diagram at Longsight so looks good for being a 397.

Can confirm it was, had a lovely albeit short ride from Piccadilly to Oxford Road. Thanks again for your help all.

Erniescooper · 8 Mar 2020

Apologies I have no idea of the workings but 003, 004 , 006 and 011 are all out in traffic today

skifans · 8 Mar 2020

In post #291 when you say "confirmed in the tpe app", what exactly is being checked in it?

JonathanH · 9 Mar 2020

skifans said:
In post #291 when you say "confirmed in the tpe app", what exactly is being checked in it?

It shows the formation in live times for more stations than Tiger does - still not every train / station. It also picks up the messages that appear on journey check about short forms.

driver9000 · 9 Mar 2020

1M90 04:22 Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport is a 397 today making 4 in traffic.

route101 · 9 Mar 2020

JonathanH said:
From RTT, the eight diagrams for Manchester to Scotland trains are today:
1. 5S38 0828 XML-MAN / 1S38 0843 MAN-EDB / 1M97 1212 EDB-MAN / 5S75 1529 MAN-MAN / 1S75 1626 MAN-EDB / 1M95 2015 EDB-MAN / 5H95 2326 MAN-XML
2. 5S40 0854 XML-MAN / 1S40 0922 MAN-GLC / 1M98 1306 GLC-MAN / 5S81 1629 MAN-MAN / 1S81 1726 MAN-GLC / 1M96 2108 GLC-CAR
3. 5S46 0819 XPT-MCV / 1S46 1030 MCV-EDB / 1M99 1412 EDB-MAN / 5S83 1726 MAN-MAN / 1S83 1826 MAN-EDB / 1M67 2210 EDB-MAN / 5H97 0150 EDB-XML
4. 5S51 1109 XML-MAN / 1S51 1125 MAN-GLC / 1M90 1505 GLC-MAN / 5S85 1829 MAN-MAN / 1S85 1926 MAN-GLC / 5S86 2300 GLC-XPD
5. 5M63 0803 XPD-GLC / 1M63 0825 GLC-MCV / 5S56 1200 MCV-MCV / 1S56 1231 MCV-EDB / 1M91 1614 EDB-MCV / 5S88 1929 MAN-MAN / 1S88 2026 MAN-EDB / 5S88 2353 EDB-EDB
6. 1M64 1157 PRE-MAN / 5M64 1243 MAN-MAN / 1S61 1326 MAN-GLC / 1M92 1704 GLC-MAN / 5S92 2029 MAN-MAN / 1S92 2126 MAN-GLC
7. 5M95 0824 XPD-EDB / 1M93 1013 EDB-MAN / 5S66 1329 MAN-MAN / 1S66 1426 MAN-EDB / 1M93 1814 EDB-MAN / 5W93 2133 MAN-XRK
8. 5M96 1032 XPD-GLC / 1M96 1105 GLC-MAN / 5S71 1429 MAN-MAN / 1S71 1526 MAN-GLC / 1M94 1915 GLC-MAN / 5S98 2230 MAN-MAN / 1S98 2315 MAN-PRE / 5S98 0006 PRE-XPT

XML = Longsight, XRK = Ardwick, XPT = Preston C.S. XPD = Polmadie, MAN = Manchester Piccadilly, MCV = Manchester Victoria, EDB = Edinburgh, GLC = Glasgow Central, PRE = Preston, CAR = Carlisle

Thanks to a tip-off elsewhere, the TPE app indicates, TPE journey check and starting points, I reckon:
1. 350 - is shown on journey check as being 4-car instead of 5-car and started at Ardwick instead of Longsight so is a 350
2. 397 - was shown on Tiger as having 5 coaches so presume is a 397
3. 397 - started Preston and ends Longsight so is presumably a 397 diagram
4. 397 - starts Longsight and has been shown on Tiger as having 5-coaches so is presumably a 397
5. 350 - would expect this to be a 350 as starts / ends in Scotland
6. 185 - (1M64 starts Preston instead of Edinburgh today) this is a 185 working a 350 diagram based on TPE app
7. 350 - ends Ardwick so is likely to be a 350 (confirmed on TPE app)
8. 397 - has typically been a 397 diagram in recent weeks (confirmed on TPE app)

Happy to be corrected by someone who has actual information on this.

Why are some going to Mancheser Victoria?

InOban · 9 Mar 2020

See post #288!

route101 · 9 Mar 2020

InOban said:
See post #288!

Ah , i had it they were still going to Picc

Prudhoe · 9 Mar 2020

Have pre-booked a journey on Wed 18/3/20 from Carlisle to Manchester and return, both confirmed by TPE as Novas.

They are:
1M90 (04:22 ex GC), 1S40, 1M98, 1S81, 1M96 (Preston 00:12)

1S28 (05:57 ex Carlisle), 1M93, 1S56, 1M91, 1S88 (Edinburgh 23:39)

Class 397 TPE "Nova 2" Diagrams

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