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jon0844 · 5 Mar 2020

I've seen people trying to open train doors with their knees and wonder how many people are falling over on the tube because they won't hold on to anything?!

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Bantamzen · 5 Mar 2020

jon0844 said:
I've seen people trying to open train doors with their knees and wonder how many people are falling over on the tube because they won't hold on to anything?!

Meanwhile oop'North, I've seen one face mask all week, nobody trying to open doors with anything other than their fingers, although to be fair the Yorkshire state of alert has been raised to "Put t'kettle on"...

JamesT · 5 Mar 2020

krus_aragon said:
My workplace have replaced the usual soap in the dispensers with an antibacterial variey, I can smell the alcohol-based difference. The hand dryers are still as paltry and athsmatic as they've been for decades, though.

From my understanding, that’s the wrong thing to do. It’s a virus not bacteria and soap is actually very effective at breaking down the membrane around the virus which kills it.

Busaholic · 5 Mar 2020

jon0844 said:
I've seen people trying to open train doors with their knees and wonder how many people are falling over on the tube because they won't hold on to anything?!

Given I've virtually no feeling in one hand now, but have to use a stick because otherwise I fall over (and one day will suffer more than bruising and hurt pride) perhaps I'll try the knee thing. I'd be holding on to those tube poles/rails even if they bore the legend 'get your Coronavirus here!'. In life, you have to weigh things up, sometimes as a basic survival tactic.

MidlandsChap · 5 Mar 2020

Bantamzen said:
There's no evidence to suggest that we are all likely to get it, more likely that we may come into contact with some people that have. But as you say common sense should prevail, a simple hygiene routine, and no rushing to A&E at the first sign of flu-like symptoms will go a long way to keep this in check. However a vaccine isn't going to be ready for mass distribution this year, so I wouldn't be holding out for that.

There is no evidence to suggest we are not all likely to get it either.

Bletchleyite · 5 Mar 2020

Bantamzen said:
Meanwhile oop'North, I've seen one face mask all week, nobody trying to open doors with anything other than their fingers, although to be fair the Yorkshire state of alert has been raised to "Put t'kettle on"...

I assume the stockpiling of Yorkshire Tea (is there any other brand?) has started in force?

Bletchleyite · 5 Mar 2020

MidlandsChap said:
There is no evidence to suggest we are not all likely to get it either.

My inclination is that it'll end up "going round" just like colds and flu, probably mutating a bit each year.

Pakenhamtrain · 6 Mar 2020

krus_aragon said:
My workplace have replaced the usual soap in the dispensers with an antibacterial variey, I can smell the alcohol-based difference. The hand dryers are still as paltry and athsmatic as they've been for decades, though.

My work has purchased a 1L tub of hospital grade anti-bacterial stuff. It is some alcohol based stuff.

krus_aragon · 6 Mar 2020

JamesT said:
From my understanding, that’s the wrong thing to do. It’s a virus not bacteria and soap is actually very effective at breaking down the membrane around the virus which kills it.

Ah, good point; I wrote "antibacterial" automatically, without thinking about the whole virus/bacteria thing. There's a pretty sticker they've put on the dispenser, I'll check what's on it.

Bantamzen · 6 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
I assume the stockpiling of Yorkshire Tea (is there any other brand?) has started in force?

I'm off panic buying it today!

ASharpe · 6 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
I assume the stockpiling of Yorkshire Tea (is there any other brand?) has started in force?

Bantamzen said:
I'm off panic buying it today!

I believe there is a strategic reserve. It's kept underground along with large self propelling kettles.

433N · 6 Mar 2020

DarloRich said:
i don't know where you get your news but BBC have been very good.

So, as always, I listened to the Radio 4 Today programme reporting 'asian markets' were sharply lower on coronavirus fears ... a familiar story to last week (although no mention of partial recovery in the interim had merited a mention).

So I thought I'd research the nature of this item since the facts are readily available to all and sundry and can be quickly checked.

Hong Kong's Hang Seng down 2.25 % on the day to 26166 ... it gave up the gains it made on Thursday which it started at 26222. So down a massive 0.2% over 2 days !

China's Shanghai Composite down 1.21% on the day to 3034 ... although it did start Thursday at 3011 - so up over 2 days.

Perhaps Japan's Nikkei 225 ... well, admittedly, that was down a bit more serious at 20666 it was 2.72% down on the day. But it started the week at 20890, so down only 1% over the week.

Hardly 'man bites dog' stuff . So no, I don't believe that BBC reporting, or editorial decision to run this 'story', has been 'very good'. This kind of nonsense just serves to stoke hysteria of a coming apocalypse.

nlogax · 6 Mar 2020

433N said:
So, as always, I listened to the Radio 4 Today programme reporting 'asian markets' were sharply lower on coronavirus fears

I heard it too. Sharply down -on the day-. Which is accurate, and what is also being reported by the likes of CNBC, Business Times, South China Morning Post, Marketwatch, City AM, CNN..

433N · 6 Mar 2020

nlogax said:
I heard it too. Sharply down -on the day-. Which is accurate, and what is also being reported by the likes of CNBC, Business Times, South China Morning Post, Marketwatch, City AM, CNN..

... but to bludgeon the point home, they weren't being reported as being 'sharply up on the day' on Thursday. These things matter ; markets are driven by sentiment - monkey see, monkey do.

nlogax · 6 Mar 2020

433N said:
... but to bludgeon the point home, they weren't being reported as being 'sharply up on the day' on Thursday. These things matter ; markets are driven by sentiment - monkey see, monkey do.

Oh, ok.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cgdzpg5yvdvt/stock-markets

"Posted at 6:41 5 Mar
Asian shares follow Wall Street higher"

433N · 6 Mar 2020

nlogax said:
Oh, ok.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cgdzpg5yvdvt/stock-markets

"Posted at 6:41 5 Mar
Asian shares follow Wall Street higher"

... but to bludgeon the point home again, it wasn't treated as a headline news item.

(I'm going to have to get a new bludgeon at this rate

)

nlogax · 6 Mar 2020

433N said:
... but to bludgeon the point home again, it wasn't treated as a headline news item.

I listened to yesterday's Today programme as well. Unless I missed it - and that's possible - I don't recall hearing any market news. It's almost as though there was a bigger financial story dominating the headlines.

krus_aragon · 6 Mar 2020

nlogax said:
I listened to yesterday's Today programme as well. Unless I missed it - and that's possible - I don't recall hearing any market news. It's almost as though there was a bigger financial story dominating the headlines.

Well the day before, it was definitely the urgent news about candidate selection for a future election in a country a couple of hundred miles away, which the vast majority of its listeners have no say in whatsoever.

PHILIPE · 6 Mar 2020

I've seen many Tweets from passengers complaining that train toilets are lacking soap and/or water during these troubled times

Bletchleyite · 6 Mar 2020

PHILIPE said:
I've seen many Tweets from passengers complaining that train toilets are lacking soap and/or water during these troubled times

They're lacking generally.

TBH I think we should probably move to providing sanitiser gel in the toilets, it's easier to keep stocked and less complex to go wrong. Not as good against coronavirus, but effective generally.

Islineclear3_1 · 6 Mar 2020

From the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51759602

A woman with underlying health conditions has become the first person in the UK to die after testing positive for coronavirus.

The Royal Berkshire NHS Trust said the patient, understood to be in her 70s, had been "in and out of hospital for non-coronavirus reasons".

She was admitted and tested positive for coronavirus on Wednesday.

It comes as the number of UK people diagnosed with the virus reached 116, a rise of more than 30 in 24 hours.

ScotGG · 6 Mar 2020

I see many still don't understand this virus.

1) It's believed by most professionals to be substantially more infectious than the flu

2) Many more who contract need hospital treatment than the flu. The NHS doesn't have capacity. People with other diseases/illnesses will be competing for scarce beds

3) Even if nations can contain it and prevent huge hospital pressure, that comes at a huge financial cost through containment

ScotGG · 6 Mar 2020

433N said:
So, as always, I listened to the Radio 4 Today programme reporting 'asian markets' were sharply lower on coronavirus fears ... a familiar story to last week (although no mention of partial recovery in the interim had merited a mention).

So I thought I'd research the nature of this item since the facts are readily available to all and sundry and can be quickly checked.

Hong Kong's Hang Seng down 2.25 % on the day to 26166 ... it gave up the gains it made on Thursday which it started at 26222. So down a massive 0.2% over 2 days !

China's Shanghai Composite down 1.21% on the day to 3034 ... although it did start Thursday at 3011 - so up over 2 days.

Perhaps Japan's Nikkei 225 ... well, admittedly, that was down a bit more serious at 20666 it was 2.72% down on the day. But it started the week at 20890, so down only 1% over the week.

Hardly 'man bites dog' stuff . So no, I don't believe that BBC reporting, or editorial decision to run this 'story', has been 'very good'. This kind of nonsense just serves to stoke hysteria of a coming apocalypse.

Two days is not a good time frame. Over the past week/month the trajectory is sharply down. All falls have bounces on the odd days but the overall trend is clear. So much still seems to be surprising markets which were obvious to those who listened to experts on how it would/will play out.

westv · 6 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
They're lacking generally.

TBH I think we should probably move to providing sanitiser gel in the toilets, it's easier to keep stocked and less complex to go wrong. Not as good against coronavirus, but effective generally.

But what if you have a dump?

Darandio · 6 Mar 2020

westv said:
But what if you have a dump?

Take three sea shells with you.

underbank · 6 Mar 2020

433N said:
... but to bludgeon the point home, they weren't being reported as being 'sharply up on the day' on Thursday. These things matter ; markets are driven by sentiment - monkey see, monkey do.

But only the casual investor will rely on the mainstream media. The brokers/market makers who will be dealing the 99% + of the market will be using other news resources - they certainly won't be watching the BBC and making decisions on that. Private investors make up a tiny proportion of the shareholders/trades which are dominated by the City workers. Mrs Miggins selling her 100 BT shares because she saw something on the Beeb is unlikely to have much impact, whereas Tarquin sat in Canary Wharf will be moving his billions of pounds of shares around based on market data rather than BBC Breakfast's Steph McGovern!

Bletchleyite · 6 Mar 2020

westv said:
But what if you have a dump?

Is there a difference between how you should clean your hands between the two, er, functions? I wasn't aware of one.

(Bog roll is not mentioned, other than presumably when the guard comes round flogging tickets

)

westv · 6 Mar 2020

underbank said:
Private investors make up a tiny proportion of the shareholders/trades which are dominated by the City workers. Mrs Miggins selling her 100 BT shares because she saw something on the Beeb is unlikely to have much impact, whereas Tarquin sat in Canary Wharf will be moving his billions of pounds of shares around based on market data rather than BBC Breakfast's Steph McGovern!

Canary Wharf isn't in the City.

westv · 6 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
Is there a difference between how you should clean your hands between the two, er, functions? I wasn't aware of one.

(Bog roll is not mentioned, other than presumably when the guard comes round flogging tickets )

I was thinking any "residue" if there is any would need to be washed off with soap and water rather than hand sanitizer.

433N · 6 Mar 2020

underbank said:
But only the casual investor will rely on the mainstream media. The brokers/market makers who will be dealing the 99% + of the market will be using other news resources - they certainly won't be watching the BBC and making decisions on that. Private investors make up a tiny proportion of the shareholders/trades which are dominated by the City workers. Mrs Miggins selling her 100 BT shares because she saw something on the Beeb is unlikely to have much impact, whereas Tarquin sat in Canary Wharf will be moving his billions of pounds of shares around based on market data rather than BBC Breakfast's Steph McGovern!

Really ? Well, you learn something new every day !

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