StephenHunter
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Grumpy Git
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Some of the 195's are already 'minging'.
But then again what can you expect from folk who have to be told to wash their hands after visiting the toilet, yuk.
Busaholic
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'There's been a further increase in the number testing positive for Coronavirus.' Of course there has, it's a running total so CANNOT decrease, no matter what! On the other hand, we're not being told how many have actually developed more than the mildest of symptoms, though there are suggestions ii's been very few so far, and almost all confined to a more mature age group. The hysteria is very worrying, and I'm extremely cynical about why the government is whipping it up.
It could well be so that if anything bad happens then they can deflect any blame from Brexit (as there's still quite a few news organisations who would do so) to the virus.
Spamcan81
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Speaking to a health professional this evening and they are very annoyed at how coronavirus is being reported, especially as it is causing all this hysteria, panic buying etc. As for the two unfortunate souls who have passed away, they said the victims were already suffering from life threatening conditions and could well have succumbed even in the absence of a coronavirus infection.
Bantamzen
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I have friends and family in the NHS who all say the same. Its time for the media & people to stop whipping up hysteria and take the very simple advice on how to minimise your risk of contracting the virus.
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48 new cases Friday , 43 new cases Saturday ... them's the facts.
The general headlines read that there were now over 200 confirmed cases (yes, even the BBC) ... though you could take them facts and make a completely different headline.
I'm not saying that the second conclusion you might make is the correct one but it shows the importance of perspective.
(PS : How come I had a problem buying bog roll yesterday but not paracetamol ... I know which one I'd prefer to have if I had a high temperature)
The general headlines read that there were now over 200 confirmed cases (yes, even the BBC) ... though you could take them facts and make a completely different headline.
I'm not saying that the second conclusion you might make is the correct one but it shows the importance of perspective.
(PS : How come I had a problem buying bog roll yesterday but not paracetamol ... I know which one I'd prefer to have if I had a high temperature)
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krus_aragon
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The best study I know of comes from China, where they've had 44,000+ cases. Many news sources have write-ups or summaries (such as the BBC), and the original report is here. My quick summary of it would be:
- Most people catching the virus (85%+) are in the 30-79 age bracket
- The death rate for all age ranges under 50 is less than 1%, rising toward 15% for the over-80s
- The danger is greater if you have other existing conditions, such as heart disease, diabetes, or cancer. If you have none, the death rate is approximately 1% (averaged over all age ranges)
- China found a higher death rate among men, but one external observer noted that smoking is far more prevalent among men than women in China.
nlogax
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Exactly. The loo roll thing is getting really weird now. I get that stockpiling for a two week isolation period (or as we used to call it, 'shopping') could be useful but why aren't people stockpiling paracetamol or cough medicine?
krus_aragon
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Retailers aren't allowed to sell more than two boxes of paracetamol at a time (for overdose prevention), which rather limits the scope for panic-buying.
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I bet if retailers could only sell 2 bog rolls at once, people would make multiple visits !
squizzler
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I have not used air travel since the climate emergency came in. Young people who took part in the climate strikes might have noticed that the baby boomer generation in particular did not change their habits in the face of the emergency that puts young people's future in jeopardy. Now it is a different story when something comes along whose victims are more likely to be old than young, male rather than female. This might have something to do with it being predominantly old men who form the political class.
These same young people might be excused for not bothering to constrain their life choices in the face of a virus that generally only claims its victims from the over 60s.
I hope that the youth bargain with the older generation to stop flying in exchange for any adjustments to their life opportunities they are asked to do for the duration of this virus thing.
These same young people might be excused for not bothering to constrain their life choices in the face of a virus that generally only claims its victims from the over 60s.
I hope that the youth bargain with the older generation to stop flying in exchange for any adjustments to their life opportunities they are asked to do for the duration of this virus thing.
Bantamzen
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If you are serious about man-made climate change, then you would be asking all generations to use less energy, consume less and put pressure on governments to move to sustainable energy generation & storage. This ridiculous notion that the "climate emergency" is a recent thing, & that it can be stopped just by stopping flying is about as daft as people panic buying loo roll, and as about effective. The impact of thousands of years of agricultural & industrial revolution is what has got us where we are, and it will take centuries to right.
As for covid-19, all this sudden urgency to contain it is way too late. It is now in most parts of the world, so like climate change we will have to learn to manage it because there is no magic pill to make it go away.
As most retailers sell paracetamol one can always buy more by going a few yards up to the next high street retailer. Even going to a pharmacy one can easily walk up to a counter and buy a 32 pack of Co-codamol without a prescription. This whole toilet roll panic buying is bizarre and goes a long way to demonstrating the stupidity of where human civilization is going.
edwin_m
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Indeed there is a lot more that needs doing to cut climate change than reducing flying, but that's for another topic. I would point out however that if we didn't have the number and range of international flights we do today, the virus would have spread much more slowly and those outside China would have had a much better chance of containing it.
I believe there is still a need to adopt these containment measures, and potentially also restrictions on movement in the near future even though the virus is now present virtually everywhere. In most places the numbers are still very low and reducing the rate of infection will mean that the cases are spread over a longer period even though nearly everyone will probably be infected eventually. This has several benefits:
- More of the cases are delayed into the spring/summer period, when it's possible (but not proven) that the virus will be less transmissible…
- …but it's certain that by then the NHS and other health providers in the northern hemisphere will be through the normal peak of winter flu cases so will have more resources available...
- …and it will be easier to detect individual cases when there are no seasonal coughs and colds to confuse it with.
- Any delay at all will allow more time to prepare and ultimately to get a vaccine into production, although that seems to be a year or more off
- Any spreading over a longer period will reduce pressure on health services and probably on society in general
I consider however that any movement restrictions will be fairly short-lived because once there is enough spread that the chances of infection are about the same everywhere, then staying in one place doesn't reduce that risk.
StephenHunter
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We don't know how much asymptomatic transmission there is. This will likely end up being a new 'regular disease' that we'll have to deal with for a while.
Just use self service tills that utilise biometrics.
Pakenhamtrain
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Peter Mugridge
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Agreed.
From looking at the media you would think it's the bubonic plague they're talking about.
We need calm, balanced, perspective.
Like this:
R G NOW.
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I think it would be a good idea if GWR were to hand out bottles of sanitizers the same as they do with water in the summertimes.
1, Why would it be a good idea for GWR, what makes them a special case here?
2, People should be thoroughly washing their hands, not using hand sanitizer.
How much money do you think GWR are made of?! It is not their responsibility to cover for grown adults who think hamd washing is a radical concept. I had it drilled into me by Mr Bubbledebub when I was 4.
R G NOW.
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Maybe I should of said all TOCS but GWR are our station operator. I assume do you need to use hot water when washing hands as I cannot do that in my flat and need a sanitizer. I have to boil kettles to wash up. I would be alright in a train station toilet, as they usually have hot water.
You don't have hot water at home?
R G NOW.
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No the systems knackered, and the landlord does not fix it, I also have not been able to use the shower as the tray is collapsing though the floor. I have now got another place once the agent sends the email with the reference on.
Wow. That is the most basic of rights you have as a tenant, no matter who the landlord is. If you haven't purposely destroyed the equipment, it should have been repaired within 24 hours without question. Your landlord is putting you and others at risk and should be reported.
R G NOW.
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He does not manage the flat, a letting agent does and they are a waste of space. He pays them good money.I didn't even get a copy of the tenancy agreement when moving in. Anyway I always keep my hanky with me and use sanitizer but its running out and Sainsburys had loads, Then it was suddenly all gone along with tissues and toilet papers. That is why I think TOCS should provide some as it makes sure people can clean their hands and it will control the spread.
Agreed - the economic impact is the main concern for both myself and a number of people I have had conversations with. We have been doing some planning at work and it will continue next week but ultimately not everyone has the option of working away from the sites.
A number of them do, but not all require a signature on delivery
Grumpy Git
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He'd be in court in Liverpool and facing a hefty fine. All landlords have to be licenced.
matacaster
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Interesting that one of the proposed actions to reduce contagion is to have online video and telephone doctors consultations rather than going to surgery. This should be the norm in this day and age coronavirus or not. Yes, not all people have the necessary equipment (very old for example - but could be provided in care homes), but for the vast majority of working age cases, a wasteful visit to surgery may be avoided. This would be a great boom to many working age people. Sure you may be asked to come to surgery in any case,but unnecessary visits could be largely eliminated which benefits everyone. NHS GP's, welcome to the 21st Century.
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