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Line blockage Castle Cary

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Subsidence issues at castle cary have led to line being shut. London to south west trains diverting via bristol. One small problem, since December Gwr have felt Plymouth drivers needn't sign Bristol to Taunton so expect some pretty bad delays. Guess they will need to muster pilots from somewhere.
 
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Next week all West Country trains are going via Bristol so I assume there will be enough drivers signed for this but it seems a bit short sighted not to have all able to go this way.
 

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Next week all West Country trains are going via Bristol so I assume there will be enough drivers signed for this but it seems a bit short sighted not to have all able to go this way.
Apparently Plymouth men will be piloted next week by Exeter men. Quite ridiculous when I last drove the route in December anyway. Only signed it off at the companies insistence. As you say, extremely short sighted.
 

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I imagine Exeter crew where possible will cover Plymouth work to the East of Taunton and Plymouth cover Exeter work to the West of Taunton/Exeter, and potentially Castle Cary - Pad for the time being. However not everything can be cross covered but it limits the Piloting somewhat.
 

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Looking at traksy, still blocked this morning on the down, but the up line is in use. A down train, 1c74, just terminated at castle vary and looks as if it is returning now to Paddington.
Any idea how long this goes on for?
 

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Looking at traksy, still blocked this morning on the down, but the up line is in use. A down train, 1c74, just terminated at castle vary and looks as if it is returning now to Paddington.
Any idea how long this goes on for?

From GWR Journeycheck:

Cancellations to services between Castle Cary and Taunton

Due to a safety inspection of the track between Castle Cary and Taunton the line towards Taunton is blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 11/03.
Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
If you hold a valid single, return, or weekly ticket, you will be able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay
Last Updated:11/03/2020 08:31

https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/
 

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I imagine Exeter crew where possible will cover Plymouth work to the East of Taunton and Plymouth cover Exeter work to the West of Taunton/Exeter, and potentially Castle Cary - Pad for the time being. However not everything can be cross covered but it limits the Piloting somewhat.
Exeter have little work west of Exeter anyway , so in practice this won't happen. It begs the question why Plymouth weren't given even one job on the Bristol Taunton route since December which is all we asked for. But computer said no.
 

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Exeter have little work west of Exeter anyway , so in practice this won't happen. It begs the question why Plymouth weren't given even one job on the Bristol Taunton route since December which is all we asked for. But computer said no.
You never worked PL400 - it was 99/100 suggest West. So it was a GWR Exeter driver vice pass almost every day of the week. The reason was simple, you don't have enough work that way to justify keeping it. Plenty of depots cover that section. There's life beyond Plymouth and the West Country. As you've been reminded in several threads.

The age of HSS is over. Long live the west
 

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since December Gwr have felt Plymouth drivers needn't sign Bristol to Taunton so expect some pretty bad delays.
How silly. With the longstanding pw issues across The Levels at Langport? Presumably they therefore don't do onward from Bristol to Reading either. And what about via Melksham, another useful diversion?

Good job this didn't apply in City of Truro's day :)
 

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How silly. With the longstanding pw issues across The Levels at Langport? Presumably they therefore don't do onward from Bristol to Reading either. And what about via Melksham, another useful diversion?

Good job this didn't apply in City of Truro's day :)
We still do bristol to reading and melksham , just not Taunton to bristol. Supposedly because there was no work for us. For the sake of one job on a 2+4 the company gains alot in my view . Last night for example , a simple diversion none stop via bristol may have caused little delay, however now it is not so simple. I have no doubt that we will gain work on the route in May as at that point we will only need to re sign it . Any later than may and we will all need to 're learn it!
 

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You never worked PL400 - it was 99/100 suggest West. So it was a GWR Exeter driver vice pass almost every day of the week. The reason was simple, you don't have enough work that way to justify keeping it. Plenty of depots cover that section. There's life beyond Plymouth and the West Country. As you've been reminded in several threads.

The age of HSS is over. Long live the west
Yes. Makes so much sense to have a Gloucester driver sign that route when he will never use it as a diversion yet a Plymouth man can't sign it anymore when he will drive past cogload almost daily.
Unfortunately there is a real hatred of HSS at present within GWR. And yet ironically which depot has the best safety record out of mid size GWR depots? Plymouth. And still the company want to take our routes and work. We are also losing the 57 work shortly. Why spend 1000s training up loads of new drivers on routes and traction when there are already blokes who cover them perfectly competently but will be forced to sign them off!!!??? Not great business sense in my view.
 

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Yes. Makes so much sense to have a Gloucester driver sign that route when he will never use it as a diversion yet a Plymouth man can't sign it anymore when he will drive past cogload almost daily.
Unfortunately there is a real hatred of HSS at present within GWR. And yet ironically which depot has the best safety record out of mid size GWR depots? Plymouth. And still the company want to take our routes and work. We are also losing the 57 work shortly. Why spend 1000s training up loads of new drivers on routes and traction when there are already blokes who cover them perfectly competently but will be forced to sign them off!!!??? Not great business sense in my view.
Because the age of HSS is over. You refused to accept and move with the times, and you're being left behind by the company and the union.

Gloucester have always signed Taunton for working service trains, not as a diversion. Plymouth don't need it any longer, as the shrinking of HSS begins and the rise of GWR continues.

Bristol - TAU is signed by the following:
Bristol GWR
Bristol TM HSS
Bristol Parkway HSS
Gloucester
Exeter GWR
Exeter HSS
Paddington HSS
If Cardiff happens, rumour is they'll get Taunton. Bristol Parkway GWR may well also get Taunton.

So why do we need Plymouth on one job a day they'll refuse to cover themselves to do more "important" work? The answer is, they don't.

This is a typical woe is us post from everyone in the company who reads these boards' least popular Plymouth driver.
 

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Because the age of HSS is over. You refused to accept and move with the times, and you're being left behind by the company and the union.

Gloucester have always signed Taunton for working service trains, not as a diversion. Plymouth don't need it any longer, as the shrinking of HSS begins and the rise of GWR continues.

Bristol - TAU is signed by the following:
Bristol GWR
Bristol TM HSS
Bristol Parkway HSS
Gloucester
Exeter GWR
Exeter HSS
Paddington HSS
If Cardiff happens, rumour is they'll get Taunton. Bristol Parkway GWR may well also get Taunton.

So why do we need Plymouth on one job a day they'll refuse to cover themselves to do more "important" work? The answer is, they don't.

This is a typical woe is us post from everyone in the company who reads these boards' least popular Plymouth driver.
Wow can you not understand the simple concept that if a train needs to be diverted coming back from London to the South West a driver should be able to get on and divert. Why is it desirable to instead have to make an unscheduled stop at somewhere like Bristol and then find a pilot driver. And if it's late at night chances are there won't be A driver knocking round to pilot the Plymouth man. So the train capes. Everyone's a winner. Not.
 

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Wow can you not understand the simple concept that if a train needs to be diverted coming back from London to the South West a driver should be able to get on and divert. Why is it desirable to instead have to make an unscheduled stop at somewhere like Bristol and then find a pilot driver. And if it's late at night chances are there won't be A driver knocking round to pilot the Plymouth man. So the train capes. Everyone's a winner. Not.
Have you not considered it to be a sign that your London work is slowly going to diminish....hope you like the branches
 

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Oh and just to add, the majority of Paddington drivers have also had to sign off bristol to Taunton , so even less flexibility when diversions are needed.
First are finding on TPE that 5 different drivers working a service when one or two will do is highly undesirable and changes are in the pipeline to remedy this apparently. Just because lots of ex west depots sign a small section of route doesn't make them useful in the grand scheme of things.
 

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Have you not considered it to be a sign that your London work is slowly going to diminish....hope you like the branches
Why would that happen. The Plymouth GWR men will be learning B and H in due course and I of course will eventually be one of them. So who do you think should drive the b and h? It isn't going to be left solely to Exeter I can assure you. And we are signing off more branches in the coming future, so get your facts right. If anything we will be going London more!
 

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Oh and just to add, the majority of Paddington drivers have also had to sign off bristol to Taunton , so even less flexibility when diversions are needed.
First are finding on TPE that 5 different drivers working a service when one or two will do is highly undesirable and changes are in the pipeline to remedy this apparently. Just because lots of ex west depots sign a small section of route doesn't make them useful in the grand scheme of things.
Ultimately, from May, Bristol GWR will sign Taunton-Paddington, Eexter GWR will have Reading-Penzance. Paddington GWR will reach Bristol at least. So it's not "small sections" of the route, it's quite a substantial chunk of it
 

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There didn't seem to be much bother with diverting services around the blockage in any case, so think the point is a bit null at this point.
 

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All these arguments about route knowledge appear to have gone an for decades & well before privatisation too, seemingly with no emergence of any conclusion agreement or consensus on best practice either
 

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Fellas, not the place.

Depots gain and lose work all the time, sometimes for the better and sometimes worse. Only time will tell.

On that note, everyone has had their say, I am closing the thread and everyone move on.
 
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