nat67
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57301 hauled some to Wales yesterday (10/3).
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FGW PCs 43 009 and (I believe 43 010) are at St Phillips Marsh with five slam door Mk3s. Doe anybody know their future? I though it was only 088, 156, 160, 162 that have the potential to become part of the Castle Class sets.
fgwrich
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4/3/20: 47813 leading 42520 / 42092 / 42105 / 42364 / 42232 / 42382 between the barriers.
10/3/20: 47813 leading 42247 / 42169 / 40102* / 40101* / 42308 / 42321 between the barriers.
*The 401s being the first of the TRSMB Mini Buffets heading for Newport. Also the first non TS vehicles to go (as has been so far).
fgwrich
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They are Angel Power Cars and paired with the former Hull Trains set. At the moment, it's not fully known, but I have a strong feeling all will be revealed in a few weeks time.
irish_rail
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Interesting..... The rumoured full length sets for standby purposes or something totally different??? Are you able to elaborate?
fgwrich
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If they stay, they'll be short sets. There's still a handful of Porterbrook and Angel power cars dotted around the network, with 022 / 171 / 172 (Angel) & 063 / 086 / 161 / 180 (Porterbrook) at Laira and 009 / 010 (Angel) at St Philips Marsh.
Isnt 029 at Laira as well? and what of 088, 156, 160 and 162?
fgwrich
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May well be, I'll have a look a little later. As for 088 / 156 / 160 / 162, They are now GW Franchise assets and currently in Wabtec Doncaster undergoing repaint and modifications.
nat67
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Just the power cars.
fgwrich
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Heading to Crewe for use with LSL.
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For the record, the 2 37s are D6817 (37521) and D6851 (37667)
Merle Haggard
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The TS to LSL are all from the former NL64 set. I've been told that one car from each of NL64 and NL65 has been retained for use with XC. Can anyone confirm this, or is it confusion with the TS going to LSL?
59CosG95
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Well, that snippet certainly adds up with the one car of NL65 left in Tyne Yard...
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If they are for use they would need to go for sliding door conversion, in which case why not use ex-LNER vehicles with similar seating. If it is happening, much more likely for component recovery.
Merle Haggard
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Yes thanks, that's logical - NL64 and 65 still have/had IC70 fixed armrests (I think). Presumably why NL65 went for scrap so quickly (still with the first class laid with cups and cutlery, allegedly)
fgwrich
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My thought's exactly, however I still have my doubts that any of these will be for XC - even in spares form. Hauled to LSLs depot in Crewe by LSL locomotives. All 3 are Porterbrook vehicles as well, which fits in with LSL purchasing sets from Porterbrook.
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One of the disappointments of the last week is that the rail industry (and the DfT) seem to have idly let the aviation industry pick up Flybe routes (e.g. Southampton to Manchester) without even attempting to up their game. Despite net-zero carbon targets, the alternative rail service between Southampton and Manchester is an hourly four or five-car service which is so overcrowded that getting a seat is hard, let alone having a comfortable environment to work (which is often needed to attract modal shift). I am well aware that it isn't as easy as "simply running more trains" but it seems quite galling that in a week when domestic airlines are continuing to find a niche, the rail industry continues to send comfortable stock for scrap. Surely with enough willpower and some possible concessions someone somewhere could have upped rail's game and put these trains back in to use?
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Seen to have overlooked the fact that firstly most of these carriages are due heavy works but they aren’t compliant with current legislation.
Replacing an accessible voyager with a less accessible by many slam door HST just isn’t going to cut it in the modern day.
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Wandering slightly off topic here so apologies... But turning the point on its head and asking what kind of rail industry would have been able to respond? I think it'd have 3 characteristics
1. Much less regulation of train services to allow a TOC to launch new/different services
2. Surplus capacity in infrastructure to accommodate new/changed services (including replacing 4/5 car 22x with slower 2+7/8 HST)
3. A much more liquid rolling stock market to match capacity to demand
Back onto topic, of course you can address (3) by putting more HST vehicles thru the XC/GWR/SR modifications, but it doesn't solve 1&2. Everything about the industry structure and culture of the rail industry is set up to make this agile behaviour difficult (sometimes by design, and for good reasons)
Whereas if I had a big chequebook, I could probably wet lease a plane including flight crew and launch a new SOU-MAN flight in days or weeks, because it is such a fundamentally different industry.
Merle Haggard
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I wasn't suggesting the 3 collected by LSL were for XC, just that NL64 was not being scrapped. XC of course use Porterbrook and with the transfer of LNER sets to East Midland I'm not sure how many LNER sets Porterbrook have for disposal. Limited choice for XC, and for a TCK conversion the body and running gear condition might be more important than the chairs.
Time will tell, but the gen did come from someone in the industry (train care).
59CosG95
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Former GWR TFs 41108, 41059, 41182, 41162, 41169 & 41176 (all, by pure luck, in GWR Green) are being/were moved from Long Marston to Eastleigh Works by 47805 & 47810 (top and tailed) as 5Z47. This *might* be part of LSL's charter rake.
nat67
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XC don't just use Porterbrook. Some of the power cars and stock are Angel.
fgwrich
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They certainly are. Expect to see some of the former buffet / kitchen vehicles move next. Most have all had a C4 exam and are the best of the ex GW TFs.
All these moves also mean that Porterbrook are intent on clearing Long Marston up. Although no power cars have moved yet.
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fgwrich
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While that’s true, I just can’t see any of these two rakes being used - both weren’t in the best of condition when they were disposed of, so unless they took a body (when there’s probably better condition other ones out there).
Unless LSL have changed plans again, I reckon we’ll be seeing one full TF set for your dining type experiences, and another for more rail tour type markets.
Merle Haggard
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Yes, I can see that. EM wouldn't have sent their best sets to EC! And all EM sets were hand-me-downs from other operators originally.
Apparently now on their way to Newport, along with 2 others. Maybe robbed for spares?
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