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The Terror of Class 153 Rail Travel

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You have got to take into account the huge difference in cost of equipping driving cabs on today's trains. Even the 745 fleet made it more cost effective to have just two cabs in the 12-cars rather than four in the two 6-car units they actually are. The 720s will be 5/10 cars. Every buried in cab is extremely wasteful.
I'm not disputing it but and same with this reply
Trouble is it never works like that. The 153s when converted from 155s in the early 1990s where expected to work on very quiet routes and on others to strengthen at peak times. Within months they where running around at all times often with chronic overcrowding. Following privatisation there was no chance TOCs where having these units sitting idle as needed to earn their keep to cover leasing charges. They have been dreaded by passengers and my work colleagues ever since and c
I cannot tell you what a different world it is with a minimum of 3 vehicles now on any local service we operate.

Add to this all the DDA requirements required these days and the gradual seating reduction in each vehicle and there cannot be any justification for anything less than a 2-car.
But would you really send a 2 car unit up a rural branch line to pick up 4-8 passengers in 40 minutes I doubt it personally a one car unit would be fine as when they are used on busier routes there's often not anything else available
 
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I'm not disputing it but and same with this reply

But would you really send a 2 car unit up a rural branch line to pick up 4-8 passengers in 40 minutes I doubt it personally a one car unit would be fine as when they are used on busier routes there's often not anything else available
Of course I would. What does it matter if its 4, 8 or 48? Operational flexibility as well as the points ive made regarding DDA compliance and modern driving cabs in my opinion far outweigh this. I will eat my hat if other than for light rail, another single car heavy rail vehicle is ever built for the UK market.
 

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Also adding and uncoupling takes time and staff. Often it is easier to leave a 4 car set going around all day off peak than to split it and recouple later.
 

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I'm not disputing it but and same with this reply

But would you really send a 2 car unit up a rural branch line to pick up 4-8 passengers in 40 minutes I doubt it personally a one car unit would be fine as when they are used on busier routes there's often not anything else available

A 153 may be perfectly suited to the Pembroke Dock end but be rammed between Carmarthen and Swansea on the same journey. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that all Pembroke Dock services terminate at Whitland or Carmarthen.
 

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A 153 may be perfectly suited to the Pembroke Dock end but be rammed between Carmarthen and Swansea on the same journey. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that all Pembroke Dock services terminate at Whitland or Carmarthen.
That could be done and would allow a more regular service possibly but I only catch them to Tenby so haven't seen them passed there
 

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Usually in the Leeds area they're coupled with 155s or sometimes even 158s, so it's not too bad.

However, I remember getting one from Horsforth into Leeds, and trains on that section are usually rammed as it is since they pass through the student heartland of Leeds. Safe to say, I managed to find a bit of space to stand, between the seating area and the door!
 

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Looks very nice but still has that 'old' feeling to it just like unrefurbished EMR carriages.

Yeah, 153's, 156's and 150's all have a super old feeling. The 319's also feel pretty old, but at least they have the benefit of being quiet and 4-carriages.

Two 153s were on the Liverpool to Norwich service yesterday coupled to a 158.

Yeah, I had the same setup on the Norwich service on Friday. Not the most amazing way to cross the pennines lol.

They could be the modern equivalent of slip coaches :D

A slip coach DVT could be a good idea, but I don't think many modern MU's would have the gangway or coupling compatibility for something to be widespread. The way 195's/331's are setup probably puts a nail in the coffin for single car MU's or slip coaches.

Trouble is it never works like that. The 153s when converted from 155s in the early 1990s where expected to work on very quiet routes and on others to strengthen at peak times. Within months they where running around at all times often with chronic overcrowding. Following privatisation there was no chance TOCs where having these units sitting idle as needed to earn their keep to cover leasing charges. They have been dreaded by passengers and my work colleagues ever since and c
I cannot tell you what a different world it is with a minimum of 3 vehicles now on any local service we operate.

Add to this all the DDA requirements required these days and the gradual seating reduction in each vehicle and there cannot be any justification for anything less than a 2-car.

Totally agree. A PRM accessible toilet, luggage rack, bike space eats into the seating area. You don't want to be repeating that on every unit.

Plus, things like cabs must come at a cost. Two 1-car DMUs will need 4 cabs, two toilets, etc, etc... Plus, a two car unit probably doesn't suck much more power than a one car, due to the likes of air resistance. I highly doubt, all costs considered, a married couple MU is that much more expensive to run.

I will eat your hat with you if we see another 1-car unit for the UK, outside of specialist projects like the parry people mover rolling about on a small branch line.
 

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Love them or hate them,the 153 has been a good train. I think it's time to start thinking about a replacement single car unit though.
I think passenger numbers are such that a replacement single car is not really a viable option.to cover all route clearances you need to be looking at, dare I say it, a modified pacer!

ie very lightweight 2 car 15-18m per coach with articulated centre bogie(or perhaps power car like the 755's,but much reduced HP! 2*300BHP engine should be sufficient for 90mph operation if tare comes in around 30 tonnes per coach.).
The control system needs to be kept basic as well.
 

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First North Western considered ordering a build of new one-car DMUs two decades ago, when long-term passenger numbers were still in decline. They decided against it back then, and we got 2- and 3-car 175s instead. I'd be very surprised if the idea is seriously considered again, given the growth in passenger numbers we've had since, and the need to make space-intensive PRM provisions in whatever stock is built. The number of services that would be comfortably operated by a PRM-modifed 153 (and no more) is vanishingly low, and not worth bespoke provision. That mirrors Network Rail's conclusion in it's rolling stock strategy of a few years back; that rural rolling stock would continue to be add-on orders to, or cascades from, regional fleets.

A mix of 2- and 3-car units can give much the same flexibility in capacity for individual diagrams*, without the added expense of the extra hardware in the detachable single units. See the class 170, 172, 175, 195, and 197 for examples of a 2/3-car fleet, or the 171 and 196 for 2/4-car fleets.

*more capacity, when you consider the third carraige doesn't need two more cabs, its own wheelchair spaces and large toilet, if those are already provided in the other two carriages.
 
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