Bletchleyite
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Given that both of those are Stenning jobs were they really unsanctioned? I doubt it. They won't have been made up by depots and applied without Souter noticing.
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Given that both of those are Stenning jobs were they really unsanctioned? I doubt it. They won't have been made up by depots and applied without Souter noticing.
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It wasn't a serious comment, however it's fairly clear that if two of the King's City vehicles (where were all fairly decent looking the last time I was there) have been done already somebody might have an agenda!
fgwrich
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I have to admit, I clicked on the Flickr link yesterday and saw the front of the dart. My first reaction was that it just about looks ok. However I've just had another look and seen the rear of it. It looks absolutely awful! At least First styled their new Olympia livery around the rear of its vehicles.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/116191584@N02/49640985628/in/photostream/
Jordan Adam
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The main issue for me is the white line between the yellow and blue, it just looks awful and wonky on every bus repainted.
Nothing elitist about a company portraying a professional smart image, which the yellow school bus look isn’t!
I’ve seen cast offs from the likes of first and stagecoach painted into full yellow for use by the likes of Daves Buses on school runs and it just looks cheap and nasty.
PG
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One of my local operators runs a few yellow school buses devoid of any branding unlike their buses and coaches, no doubt to avoid tarnishing their image. I'd imagine other operators elsewhere do similar.
It mostly stems from a push about 20 years ago to try to make school transport more important, First was involved in some of it at the time. It was seen that it's a big thing in America so some American spec school buses were imported. In America they're iconic and have associated safety features (such as no overtaking) that didn't translate into the UK so we ended up with fairly large and basic vehicles that cost a lot. Other operators then did much the same thing and, fairly quickly, anything yellow must be a school bus and any school bus must be yellow.
As you say, for a lot of operators, it's also a way of separating their better coaches from their 'pre loved' fleet that might otherwise be white or whatever colour it was previously.
It's certainly an odd choice for Stagecoach's new long distance livery however it might be that, in 20 years time, the yellow is identified as a premium product and school buses are some other colour again.
SeveerYeliab
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Stagecoach se 26243 yet another variation but looks better than the other 200 Mmcs
Not my picture
https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinSmith_66/status/1238511532071424000
Not my picture
https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinSmith_66/status/1238511532071424000
Bletchleyite
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Slightly better with the continuing "window band" but still, nope.
PG
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Yep a slight improvement but on single deckers it still gives that impression of 'we ran out of paint' (for the middle bit)...
Great_Western
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I think that actually looks quite smart, to be honest.
tbtc
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A small step in the right direction, I guess, but things like "what colour should we paint the front to the bus" feel like basic decisions that should have been agreed on before any money was spent on paint.
If this is the kind of "professionalism" we can expect from a post-Souter Stagecoach then things don't bode well - ordinary passengers may not know their Euro-5 from their Euro-6 (or have a clue about the merits of an "integrated chassis") but they will notice inconsistent things like two differently painted buses next to each other - you really need to get the basics right.
If this is the kind of "professionalism" we can expect from a post-Souter Stagecoach then things don't bode well - ordinary passengers may not know their Euro-5 from their Euro-6 (or have a clue about the merits of an "integrated chassis") but they will notice inconsistent things like two differently painted buses next to each other - you really need to get the basics right.
Jordan Adam
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Fully agree, it's pretty evident the new schemes were rushed at short notice and not thought out at all.
overthewater
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isn't Souter daughter incontrol of this? and the problem is the fact some depots have been a little to gun hoe to get started?
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A drawn skyline of the city or local landmarks with 'Stagecoach serving Ayrshire' for example could be made for each OpCo and be put in where the Adverts would go. Easy to change during a Cascade, can be taken out and replaced by an advert and might break up the white.
Also relatively cheap to implement.
Also relatively cheap to implement.
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The new livery works on the original Enviro models, but the MMC front is a mess, no livery I've seen works well with it, unless it's one single colour.
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The over-painting of the black trim makes it look an older design.
cnjb8
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The E400MMC, E200, E300 and E400 are growing on me but the new livery just doesnt seem to work on E200MMCs
It's spelt 'gung-ho'!
That E200MMC above looks horrendous. It’s the first time I’ve seen the front mouldings on this model for any company to be completely ignored in the livery application.
Has the new Stagecoach livery been designed by a company who hasn’t done work with the bus industry before? Who wouldn’t know that yellow is associated with school buses, and completely the opposite of the premium product. You’d think Stagecoach bosses would know the association and wouldn’t accept it though?
And to complete the trio, the Cambridgeshire Busway livery is bland and much worse than the current one as well. The plain wishy washy colour looks like Arriva
Has the new Stagecoach livery been designed by a company who hasn’t done work with the bus industry before? Who wouldn’t know that yellow is associated with school buses, and completely the opposite of the premium product. You’d think Stagecoach bosses would know the association and wouldn’t accept it though?
And to complete the trio, the Cambridgeshire Busway livery is bland and much worse than the current one as well. The plain wishy washy colour looks like Arriva
I don't think it looks horrendous, but I am in agreement that on longer vehicles there's too much white space. If they brought the er.. beachball (mk2) forward a bit and extended the rear blue forwards (as well as covering the whole of the rear) it would be much less unbalanced.
Having said that, there's plenty of blank space in the middle for route-branding and advertising without affecting the rest of the bus.
The original Busway livery is by far the worst Best Impressions livery I have ever seen too, so beating that takes some effort (or not)
GaryMcEwan
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Perth are now getting in on the act with rebranding. 27118 must be the first one to have got done.
I don't think this is just going to be Busway/Fenstanton depot- I've seen a bus or two on Cambridge Citi routes, without guidewheels, so almost certainly Cowley Road depot, in the plain green.
It's not even livery in the traditional sense, just a white bus with a big logo.
Can any of the talented paint guys on here come up with a similar version featuring the First flying F or Arriva swirl on a similar white background to the Stagecoach dimensions?
Can any of the talented paint guys on here come up with a similar version featuring the First flying F or Arriva swirl on a similar white background to the Stagecoach dimensions?
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The same could be said about the original Stagecoach livery. And if you remove the dark blue trim on the second gen livery, that’s just an enlarged section of the logo.
PG
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Although I have been (and still am) critical of the new livery you've reminded me of the introduction of the White Coach by the NBC (National Bus Company) chairman Frederick Wood (who was subsequently knighted).
In order to bring together and relaunch NBCs coach services all coaches would henceforth be plain white with just the word NATIONAL on the bodysides.
IMO his decision helped put National Express on a firm footing which enabled it to see off competition when long distance coaches were deregulated in 1981.
Even given the parallels I somehow doubt history will see the latest Stagecoach livery in the same light...
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Probably because the case of the NBC was a hodgepodge of colours being rationalised into one colour whereas Stagecoach is replacing a well liked livery with a bland one.
TheGrandWazoo
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It wasn't that much of mess in terms of bus operations.
THC/BET was either Tilling red or Tilling green (and that was what subsequently was reflected in poppy red or leaf green). So for the other BET companies, you had mainly red fleets of Red (perhaps different shades, and different amounts of cream relief) with Northern, Ribble, PMT, Trent, East Kent, Devon General, Western Welsh, South Wales, Midland Red. There were some green liveries with dark green (M&D) and apple green (Southdown) and something like British racing green (Tyneside) but blue was confined to Sunderland District and East Yorkshire IIRC.
I've yet to see the new Stagecoach livery "in the flesh" and whilst I don't mind the colours, the application seems poor. If the idea was to make it cleaner and easier to apply and maintain, there are perhaps better ways in which they could have achieved it.
THC/BET was either Tilling red or Tilling green (and that was what subsequently was reflected in poppy red or leaf green).
What about Midland General blue, or Brighton Hove & District and Cheltenham District reds? And although I think Mansfield District did adopt Tilling green on nationalisation it retained the distinct Balfour-Beatty application.
So for the other BET companies, you had mainly red fleets of Red (perhaps different shades, and different amounts of cream relief) with Northern, Ribble, PMT, Trent, East Kent, Devon General, Western Welsh, South Wales, Midland Red. There were some green liveries with dark green (M&D) and apple green (Southdown) and something like British racing green (Tyneside) but blue was confined to Sunderland District and East Yorkshire IIRC.
BET red fleets used a range of different reds (although some, such as "BET crimson", were common to more than one fleet. Blue was also used by Stratford Blue (bit of a clue in the name) and County - and East Yorkshire used indigo for buses and a mid-blue for dual-purpose vehicles and coaches.
What about Midland General blue, or Brighton Hove & District and Cheltenham District reds? And although I think Mansfield District did adopt Tilling green on nationalisation it retained the distinct Balfour-Beatty application.
So for the other BET companies, you had mainly red fleets of Red (perhaps different shades, and different amounts of cream relief) with Northern, Ribble, PMT, Trent, East Kent, Devon General, Western Welsh, South Wales, Midland Red. There were some green liveries with dark green (M&D) and apple green (Southdown) and something like British racing green (Tyneside) but blue was confined to Sunderland District and East Yorkshire IIRC.
BET red fleets used a range of different reds (although some, such as "BET crimson", were common to more than one fleet. Blue was also used by Stratford Blue (bit of a clue in the name) and County - and East Yorkshire used indigo for buses and a mid-blue for dual-purpose vehicles and coaches.
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