Bletchleyite
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I'm watching the situation at the moment but the food bank is probably going to need to be doing some deliveries so that might be a good start.
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I'm watching the situation at the moment but the food bank is probably going to need to be doing some deliveries so that might be a good start.
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I think people have woken up now. The tabloids have put the fear of god into the population...
You’re always going to get that proportion of people that won’t do as they’re told but I think mostly people are modifying their behavior. Every day that we stave off a huge increase in hospital cases is another day the NHS has to prepare.
You’re always going to get that proportion of people that won’t do as they’re told but I think mostly people are modifying their behavior. Every day that we stave off a huge increase in hospital cases is another day the NHS has to prepare.
I also wonder if there’s an element of staggering on towards the Easter holidays before we go into a full scale shutdown in order to minimise the hit on the economy as much as possible?
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I drove Wigan to Manchester and back on Friday (peak time out, early afternoon back) and there was noticeably less traffic than normal. Don't know if that aids your decision.Getting in your car, travelling to the countryside and going for a walk or run would probably be the safest excercise. Going to the gym probably the worst...
I can’t see why you’d have to stay in your house to reduce risk. Staying away from public transport, spaces that lots of people use like gyms or pubs will do the trick.
I’m off work this week but am questioning if using the train to commute to work in the NHS is sensible next week. I’ve been going for the Dunkirk spirit so far but maybe it’s time to self isolate my car. Maybe the roads will be quiet...
It was a very, very strange day sitting in a normally hectic office with just two other people. It's a bizarre atmosphere about the place at the moment.
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Bletchleyite
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I am inclined to think that, because the 2 weeks of the Easter holidays allow us to do a "trial shutdown" to see the effect on cases without any economic damage, as everyone is already planning for schools and after-school-clubs etc to be closed during that period anyway.
I do wonder (pure speculation) if they might start the holidays a week early, as that would have very limited impact.
Bletchleyite
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T'railway is nice and quiet. It's a bit like it was in the 1990s - table to yourself easily. Well, for most of the journey, until I was joined by someone snivelling away with a cold, cheers, just what I need when COVID19's knocking around as well.
Barring an office closure or waking up with symptoms I'm going to London tomorrow, I'll see what that's like.
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We are on the same average 33% daily increase trajectory as almost every other country, just that we are 13 days behind Italy which is probably due to the route the virus took to spread from China to the UK via Italy, so the UK started later. Interesting statistical analysis from John Burn-Murdoch of the FT;
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1239276487062233089
bramling
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Agreed it’s been like going back in time to the 1990s - quite refreshing in some ways.
As far as people snivelling goes, remember the hayfever season is now coming upon us, so that’s going to be pretty commonplace.
I pay attention to the considered advice from the NHS who are not recommending self isolation for people other than those with a new continuous cough or a temperature. I'd assume this is because the chance of catching it while out and about is very low.
However shortly (in the next week or two) advice for vulnerable people will be to self isolate. For weeks or even months. It's going to be awful.
I suspect it will fairly rapidly be taken out of Governments’ hands. If a student tests positive, then the school has to be shut down for 2 days minimum whilst it’s cleaned etc (the school, not the student). And if one student has it, then it’s odds on another one will turn up positive a couple of days later, probably the day the school reopens. I’d be surprised if schools are still open beyond this coming week.
tsr
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Indeed. My hayfever tendency in recent years has switched from May-July to February-April. Therefore I can appear to have a cold in March (ie. now) when I’m feeling 100% - I just have a badly blocked nose whenever I’ve been near certain plants or various specific areas.
Bletchleyite
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Fair point, though I think this was pretty obviously a cold.
I'll know by Tuesday or so as I get them by the bucketload so I'm sure this one will make itself known.
Bletchleyite
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I would say quite the opposite in terms of tests - tests and contact tracing are no longer being used other than on severe cases (those which end up in hospital, basically) so loads of cases are going to go undetected.
The effect of this will also be a significant and progressive increase in the death rate, not because a higher proportion of sufferers are dying, but because the mild cases will no longer be recorded, so the death rate will become the death rate of serious cases and so will go well into double figures - people need to understand this otherwise it is going to cause a lot of alarm.
It is going to be awful, but we need to work together rather than panicking over this next few weeks/months.
Yes I’m with you on that one. There’ll still be an impact of course, but it may take a little bit of the sting out of it (a little).
DarloRich
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The symptoms of covid19 do not include a runny nose. Sniffing and snotting is not a symptom. That's called a cold.
In other news the government will now hold daily televised news conferences on the virus situation. That is sensible and must be a response to the feedback they have had about thier bonkers media management since Friday
In other news the government will now hold daily televised news conferences on the virus situation. That is sensible and must be a response to the feedback they have had about thier bonkers media management since Friday
Hayfever doesn’t tend to involve coughing or a temperature of 37.8 either.
bramling
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Given the way people are going over the panic buying, how long before someone gets smacked for coughing sniffing or whatever.
Thusfar there’s already the traditional British dirty look being traded, but someone I work with says they got a “ticking off” on a train from a woman for sniffing.
At this point, given that there is to be no more community testing, it's deeply unlikely that any student will test positive for it. Based on the data from other countries, it's possible that the majority of children won't even know they've got it. So, keep them off if they've got symptoms, otherwise - as long as there are enough healthy staff to do so - keep calm and carry on.
Sniffing is probably more socially responsible than blowing or sneezing!
Hmm. I think we’re saying separate things.
I agree with what you say, but my point is that a student (or staff member) of a school is going to end up with a positive test result (one way or another), and that will close the school. Not every school of course. But many. An average secondary school will have 150 staff, and on current infection rates it’s a racing certainty that some schools will have someone sufficiently affected to end up being testsed and positive.
bramling
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Many people unfortunately don’t see it like that!
DerekC
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As an over-70, no trips to the pub for four months! How will I cope? Or will it be OK to sit outside in the garden?
Garden will be fine. Fingers crossed for a decent spell of warm, sunny weather.
I think you'll have to make your own decision on that. My neighbours are over 70 but they're both fit and healthy and they would rather take their chances than spend months under house arrest which can of course cause more problems not least of all the possible onset of dementia.
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A running nose is not a symptom of Coronavirus as far as I'm aware.
The problem which has been identified in other countries is that children can carry the virus to vulnerable groups, say Jack catches a virus at school, then goes to see grandpa for the holidays, now grandpa has it. Now imagine that grandpa is a railway modeller, and goes to an exhibition, where he meets up with a few acquaintances from the other side of the country. Now they have it.
The infection capacity of just the current 1000-odd cases is 31 million+ (WHO estimates that 1 person infects between 2 and 2.5 others. Therefore, an average of 2.5 is reasonable).
On a side note, the French government has told people not to consume ibuprofen, aspirin or other immuno-suppressant anti-inflammatory medication. It is better to use paracetamol.
Something which might be worth considering is that there's alternatives to kitchen rolls, wipes and (for those willing to do so) toilet rolls:
https://www.cheekywipes.com/
Even reducing the use of paper tissue products a little would help the supply chain get more stock into shops.
https://www.cheekywipes.com/
Even reducing the use of paper tissue products a little would help the supply chain get more stock into shops.
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As if coronavirus weren't enough to deal with, I now find myself having to suffer Daily Mail headlines of ...
"Let's pull together for our elderly, Britain"
Funny how there is such a thing as society after all, when it suits.
Frankly choking on my cornflakes at such headlines and the rise in blood pressure they cause is probably more of an imminent threat to my health than coronavirus ... oh, and the loss of bodily fluids which I feel are being taken.
"Let's pull together for our elderly, Britain"
Funny how there is such a thing as society after all, when it suits.
Frankly choking on my cornflakes at such headlines and the rise in blood pressure they cause is probably more of an imminent threat to my health than coronavirus ... oh, and the loss of bodily fluids which I feel are being taken.
Why buy it then? I haven't bought a newspaper in years.
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