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Sunak really made his mark today. He'll be running the country in under five years.
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Sunak really made his mark today. He'll be running the country in under five years.
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DarloRich
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Imagine being upstaged by the work experience lad.............
I'm not sure meteoric is the right word for his rise from obscurity. I'm not sure there is a word in fact!!
Yes I did think to myself that we might be talking about Prime Minister Sunak at some point in the future.
DarloRich
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When he became chancellor there was a picture of him at his desk and i said on twitter it looked like a kid sat at his dads desk pretending to run the company. I think he MIGHT be running the company now!
Moral of the story: Don't judge a book by its cover. I thought, for a Tory, he sounded sincere and wanted to reassure people they would be looked after.
Tories, paying the wages of the scum. Incredible. They have almost gone, overnight, to universal basic income.
I know right? In the lead up to the announcement I did say to myself "he's not about to announce some form of UBI is he?" now that's quite a shift in just a few weeks that such a thing felt not outside the realms of possibility for a Tory chancellor to announce!
DarloRich
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If anyone think this is not a crisis this should disabuse them quickly. A Conservative chancellor has just gone on TV and said don't worry I will cover your wages if things get bad, no matter the cost.
This is incredible and completely unprecedented. He even thanked the unions. UNIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW it isn't a few weeks it is less than a week. The budget had nothing to help workers directly.
thejuggler
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For all you doubters out there I've just spoken to my sister whose neighbour is a nurse.
She is treating people of all ages, at the moment they are getting the treatment they need and the fit ones are generally surviving. This will not be the case if the doubters carry on as normal as there will be far more people needing treatment than the facilities available.
Also don't think an 'underlying' condition has to be serious or is a main reason. The underlying condition is generally never stated, but they can be things lots of people suffer from and in some cases patients may not know they have a condition until they end up in hospital.
As for health professionals not dying she is fearful that is a situation which may not last long as more patients arrive in hospitals.
She is treating people of all ages, at the moment they are getting the treatment they need and the fit ones are generally surviving. This will not be the case if the doubters carry on as normal as there will be far more people needing treatment than the facilities available.
Also don't think an 'underlying' condition has to be serious or is a main reason. The underlying condition is generally never stated, but they can be things lots of people suffer from and in some cases patients may not know they have a condition until they end up in hospital.
As for health professionals not dying she is fearful that is a situation which may not last long as more patients arrive in hospitals.
If you really believe that allowing (say) 250,000 deaths on the premise that the cost of the government action designed to prevent those deaths would wreck the 'property of the country'*, then consider the 'do nothing' alternative which which would probably result in a total breakdown of society. That might be insurrection, possibly a civil war on a level not seen here since 1651. After an event like that, the 'property of the country' might be destroyed for generations.
* I'm not sure what your expression 'property of the country' means but it seems to imply a material value of the state. Clearly if very large numbers of additional and avoidable deaths were to occur, the population en masse might well not share the view that it was worth it. I can't think that any responsible politician that would either.
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bussnapperwm
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Try explaining that to someone who has Autism or ADHD, people who need routine. Have you ever tried living with someone with those conditions? Sometimes you/they need to go outside to cool downotherwise they have meltdowns etc...
Or are they morally deficient too?
Not necessarily, but they do need to be managed as they are quite capable of causing somebody else's death by their action.
Bletchleyite
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There is no problem with going for a walk on your own. Most people with Autism will be happy to do that.
DarloRich
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Yes - if they are going to the pub when told not to.
Anyway going for a walk on your own is no issue as I am sure you know.
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bussnapperwm
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Ok, so take me for example. I suffer from asperger's syndrome. Sometimes when I'm that pent up, that stressed, that to calm down I have to go out somewhere that there is buses, like a bus station or somewhere where I can either snap off a few pictures or ride a few buses.
The last few months being off work with an injured leg (following a burst haematoma) I have been at my wits end (literally - I've been struggling to cope) as because of the dressings, I haven't been able to get my shoe on my one foot (except for one or two occasions).
The thought of being stuck at home for 12 weeks (because of being diagnosed - at the same time as I was in for a couple of days - with diabetes), and not being able to go out to work, not being able to go out somewhere to calm myself down, caused me to go almost go into a meltdown (the third one in nearly 4 months!).
A walk around the clock in a regimented 2 meters away from the person in front/behind won't help me calm down.
My brother has ADHD. The only way he can cope is by drawing so he can easily go to another room to calm down if he has a melt down, or can walk to the field over the road with a fold up chair and his sketch pad, but I can hardly do that. In fact, drawing stuff is something I am really shocking at!
So does that make me morally deficient because of the methods I use to calm myself down from a melt down?
thejuggler
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Why are hairdressers, barbers, nail bars, tattoo studios etc etc still open?
Esker-pades
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That is wonderfully generalistic. It is perfectly possible to explain to somebody with Autism about this sort of thing. I chose autism specifically because I am autistic, and I understand.
Explain the situation, and help them create a new (and compliant) routine.
Going outside isn't against rules, just coming into contact with anyone.
As I understand it the places chosen for closure were locations were large or big groups of people congregate and socialise at.
Islineclear3_1
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Absolutely not.
But if it helps, and if you don't do already, look at pictures of your favourite buses, watch Youtube videos. That way you can still "touch base" and have some degree of exposure, if only on a computer screen
bussnapperwm
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I've been doing that (and uploading old photos where I can to my site) most of the time and I've been coping - just. It doesn't help when I see some photos online of things like the Cheltenham specials and know I wouldn't have been able to even get out of the house.
Worst thing is nobody in my family drives -except my late father who was a bus driver at one stage! (I did take some lessons but found I got easily distracted by buses - otherwise I would have been able to drive to somewhere popular with buses and just parked up in a locked car with my camera!)
Islineclear3_1
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At least the warnings for social distancing etc have come early(ish) which would hopefully give some people on the ASD spectrum some time to adjust and make some preparations for themselves. I appreciate it can be very difficult to have to adjust to a new routine.
Bletchleyite
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I'd imagine compliance will be high among ASD people, following rules strictly and to the letter is a common trait. More likely I'd think of getting upset that others aren't.
Islineclear3_1
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I agree in part, however, many will struggle coming to terms with a change in routine and moving away from their comfort zones
AlistairCowell
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We all will. At least for the next 12 weeks.
A lot of people seem to have forgotten that a lot of people with "underlying health conditions" are actually people with very common, routinely treatable conditions. Many of them will live their lives normally on whatever medical management they're given, and have few or no symptoms. A huge number will be working full time too. They will be people who normally look after children or grandchildren, nephews and nieces, people who support partners and siblings. People who are writing books, run businesses, lead congregations or work in vital research. People who work with years of experience as teachers and police officers and guess what: doctors and nurses.
There has been some hiding behind the phrase 'underlying health condition'.
There has been some hiding behind the phrase 'underlying health condition'.
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A few Wetherspoons in South Manchester had already closed their doors by 8pm according to a friend.
cactustwirly
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No one said that any of this was going to be easy, we all have to make sacrifices for the greater good.
As someone with autism, you have no idea how difficult it is for people with ASD to adjust to such a drastic change.
DarloRich
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Is the correct answer.
cactustwirly
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Probably not, but they will have to make the change.
I hate the idea of isolation myself, but it is necessary
Bantamzen
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And you believed him?
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