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61653 HTAFC said:
305s and 308s looked pretty much the same to my eyes, along with 304s. Were there any differences that were obvious once you know them?
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Similar in appearance yes but the window arrangements were different between the 3 and 4 car units and of course as already pointed out there was a livery change from around 1980 onwards which somewhat changed the appearance factor as well as 302's being part of the equation.
 
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One of the loco hauled single deck peak trains on the usual service I get into Brussels has got two double deck carriages on the end with a driving van trailer. It is quite surreal.
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In Luxembourg they regularly operate a double-deck KISS with a single-deck FLIRT. They're even owned by different operators:
https://hellertal.startbilder.de/bi...637685/der-dreiteilige-cfl-kiss-2308-als.html

On the SZU in Zurich (effectively separate from the mainline), there are a few loco-hauled/pushed trains with 2 double-deck carriages, plus 2 single-deck (one of which is the DSO). Here's an older picture from when they had only one double-deck in the middle (they added a newly built carriage with low-level entry later, and moved them to the end at that point): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLM_Re_456#/media/Datei:SZU_pendel_456.jpg
 
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I’ve heard that story but not that it was the engine that blew...
 
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Think it happened a few times before the "black boxes" came in... a 90mph run in a Pacer of any sort wouldn't be for the faint-hearted!
 
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You can still find a bit of a mix & match arrangement on the DB loco hauled ICs.
 
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61653 HTAFC said:
Think it happened a few times before the "black boxes" came in... a 90mph run in a Pacer of any sort wouldn't be for the faint-hearted!
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The basic chassis design was tested to 140 and designed to be stable at 125 from what I remember.
 
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BRX said:
You can still find a bit of a mix & match arrangement on the DB loco hauled ICs.
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I think the same applies to many of the remaining French loco-hauled TER sets, many are a mix of compartment and open Voitures Corail.
 
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Lots of anecdotes suggest that on straight well-maintained CWR at 75, they aren't actually that bad
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I agree with those anecdotes and they tally with my own experience... but I've also heard of these occasional whoopsies where a driver in a 158 forgets he has a Pacer on the back. A guard who was in one of these Pacers (on ECS) described it as rather lively!
 
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