I saw a Tweet showing a CIS display and assume they haven't got around to deleting/hiding the other services yet. Perhaps they're short staffed and this is a low priority.
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Drop in passenger numbers sees train services cut
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I saw a Tweet showing a CIS display and assume they haven't got around to deleting/hiding the other services yet. Perhaps they're short staffed and this is a low priority.
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Alanko
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A few angry Tweets this morning with photos of packed trains around Glasgow.
They can't all be frontline staff, right?
Services into the City? I wonder how many companies there still deal with paper files? I work there but haven't handled any for over a decade but I'm sure there are still some companies that still do.
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There are plenty. These business are likely to be forced to closed either this evening or tomorrow/
telstarbox
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Lots of construction sites are still running. As with the driving instructors - these staff are largely self-employed so they won't get paid if they don't go in.
Bletchleyite
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Apparently the Government are preparing something for the self employed, this is more complex than the employed so is taking longer. Once this kicks in that situation should be resolved because people will choose not to work.
I think that is the case. Currently 571 cancellations showing on journey check and a number of alterations.
Huge efforts have been made by the various regulators over time to prevent information held by major financial bodies getting out to "insider traders", etc. Generally viewed as over the top but the companies have had to comply.
A lot of what people work with in City offices just cannot be accessed over the Internet. And notably, they are classified by the government as "key workers" (surprised us all too).
"This includes staff needed for essential financial services provision (including but not limited to workers in banks, building societies and financial market infrastructure)"
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...horities-on-maintaining-educational-provision
Kite159
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And there are some jobs where it is impossible to "work from home" for. I.e. building security/cleaners
Bletchleyite
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If nobody's working there you don't need cleaners and probably only need one security person.
Train driver is a bit difficult from home ...
and while the office staff are likely on salaries continuing while they work, less productively, from home, the cleaners and security staff are from the agency, on hourly pay for whatever hours are on their timesheet. No timesheet, no pay.
and while the office staff are likely on salaries continuing while they work, less productively, from home, the cleaners and security staff are from the agency, on hourly pay for whatever hours are on their timesheet. No timesheet, no pay.
We can bomb Afghanistan from a shed in Lincolnshire, driving a train would be easy in comparison!
Northern 'key worker' emergency timetables from tomorrow...details TBC
I work in the NHS although in an office position, rather than self isolating at home with my parents (one of which is over 70 with underlying health conditions) they are now potentially offering free hotel accomodation for me
I work in the NHS although in an office position, rather than self isolating at home with my parents (one of which is over 70 with underlying health conditions) they are now potentially offering free hotel accomodation for me
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Packed trains on the Snow Hill lines this morning and evening, running 2-car services twice hourly just isn't sufficient.
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After announcing their emergency timetable was a nearly full timetable (mainly just timing changes due to Avanti service changes) LNWR have seemed to reduce to a 2tph Euston - Northampton, 1tph Northampton - Crewe via Birmingham, 1tph Rugby - Crewe via Trent Valley emergency timetable.
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I never knew so many key workers used hard hats and carried spirit levels...
GA train was pretty busy this morning. Wish they made all trains 12 cars.
on the tube, very busy first thing but quietened down considerably after 8am. Noticed more than a few parents with kids out and about. Message not getting through to some...
GA train was pretty busy this morning. Wish they made all trains 12 cars.
on the tube, very busy first thing but quietened down considerably after 8am. Noticed more than a few parents with kids out and about. Message not getting through to some...
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If RTT is to be believed, LNWR have 3 services south from Crewe, at xx12/16/19.
The xx12 runs via Stoke to Coventry, the xx16 to Euston via Trent Valley, and the xx19 (ex Liverpool) to Euston via Birmingham.
The Avanti Liverpool-Euston fast leaves at xx23, and the Chester-Birmingham, when it runs, goes at xx17.
Apart from the Glasgow-Euston non-stop at xx45, that's it southbound until the cycle starts again at the next xx12.
Northbound, the LNWR Liverpool semi fast leaves Crewe at xx37, followed by the Avanti fast at xx43.
Guaranteed to conflict.
The xx12 runs via Stoke to Coventry, the xx16 to Euston via Trent Valley, and the xx19 (ex Liverpool) to Euston via Birmingham.
The Avanti Liverpool-Euston fast leaves at xx23, and the Chester-Birmingham, when it runs, goes at xx17.
Apart from the Glasgow-Euston non-stop at xx45, that's it southbound until the cycle starts again at the next xx12.
Northbound, the LNWR Liverpool semi fast leaves Crewe at xx37, followed by the Avanti fast at xx43.
Guaranteed to conflict.
There's some on Twitter who don't appear to have too much trouble with driving trains from home:
https://twitter.com/sjdavison/status/1239969277416886279?s=20
A photo of a train on a lorry with the caption "so the government wants us to work from home... This may take some explaining to the neighbours!!"
I've seen a couple of the TOCs I travel on do this differently - the sensible thing is to just hide the services outright. From tomorrow I imagine they will be.
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Theyve not really cancelled more services for me than this morning, still seeing more cancelled from driver shortage than planned cancellation but the reduction in travellers stepped up again.
on morning train down from around a hundred boarding to less than a dozen and this morning I had a carriage to myself in rush hour. On return there was only half a dozen on the entire train. People have shifted to roads though with local roads being choca despite the elimination of school traffic.
Edit: Ouch, theyve just published timetable for tommorow and service is down to hourly.
on morning train down from around a hundred boarding to less than a dozen and this morning I had a carriage to myself in rush hour. On return there was only half a dozen on the entire train. People have shifted to roads though with local roads being choca despite the elimination of school traffic.
Edit: Ouch, theyve just published timetable for tommorow and service is down to hourly.
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Well they are still showing at 01:39 on National Rail Enquiries App tonight. I wonder what time they get removed?
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I echo your thanking the staff for what they do, underappreciated at the best of times.
In terms of stations without a service, New Clee - Barton on Humber inclusive except Grimsby Town and Habrough has nothing, as has Heysham. Morecambe and Ormskirk branches are replacement bus. Yarm has very little.
Yet again Great Western Railway have cancelled services so that they appear as cancelled in the journey planner rather than planned cancellations in advance.
I may need to travel for a hospital appointment next Monday, if it doesn't happen via the phone. It's at 8:30.
Unsee normal circumstances I'd get the 6:08 Guildford to Gatwick Airport but there isn't such a service. Last night I couldn't accurately look up the trains without specifying via points as services due to be cancelled were showing, blocking out alternatives.
Thankfully I'm up early enough today and the National Rail Enquiries App allows me to go slightly back in time, including loooking up alternatives.
I may need to travel for a hospital appointment next Monday, if it doesn't happen via the phone. It's at 8:30.
Unsee normal circumstances I'd get the 6:08 Guildford to Gatwick Airport but there isn't such a service. Last night I couldn't accurately look up the trains without specifying via points as services due to be cancelled were showing, blocking out alternatives.
Thankfully I'm up early enough today and the National Rail Enquiries App allows me to go slightly back in time, including loooking up alternatives.
South Western Railway have some short formations of 4 carriages today. I assume they don't have the staff avilable or some other ability to get additional rolling stock in place to avoid this.
I don't know how busy the trains are and I'd hope they contain only people making essential journeys but so far I get the impression that iit is still a reasonable number of people on some trains, given the timetable is running at around 50%.
I don't know how busy the trains are and I'd hope they contain only people making essential journeys but so far I get the impression that iit is still a reasonable number of people on some trains, given the timetable is running at around 50%.
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Great Western was a mess yesterday. RTT was totally wrong, only the National Rail journey planner seems OKish, just wrong platforms etc
My son was waiting at a GWML station for a train on the train planner. It was not up on the board on his platform but on the closed mainline platform. TfL station staff were not helpful.
The train planner timetable was impossible, so he was in a panic as there is now only an hourly service. I watched the route map to follow his train to see if it stayed on the reliefs so he could get on and it did albeit 25 mins late.
The train driver even waived to him as the only passenger on the station!!
My son was waiting at a GWML station for a train on the train planner. It was not up on the board on his platform but on the closed mainline platform. TfL station staff were not helpful.
The train planner timetable was impossible, so he was in a panic as there is now only an hourly service. I watched the route map to follow his train to see if it stayed on the reliefs so he could get on and it did albeit 25 mins late.
The train driver even waived to him as the only passenger on the station!!
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I wonder whats going to happen to the heathrow express, its new set up makes it particularly vulnerable to being withdrawn because of a drop in passenger numbers and it wont be subject to the governments emergency measures.
Bletchleyite
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It's now operated by GWR, isn't it?
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Its however not a franchised service and therefore would not be subject to the governments relief measures, ticket revenue is collected by Hal and they pay GwR a fixed fee to run it.
At the moment it’s running a half hourly service with single 4 or 5 cars.
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I think I see where you are going with this. It remains to be seen how prolongued this crisis is, and many parts of society - and indeed the economy - some areas do seem to be lacking in their ability to cope under the usual rules. It remains to be seen if the steps being taken by government will take on a degree of permanence. This includes the railways and would hope that in the long run this is a catalyst for change. It really depends on the scale of the crisis though as that will influence the level of demand for permanent change - when I say scale, obviously nbody wants this to be as tragic as we suspect it might be, but being under restrictions for a considerable period (some say it could be 12-18 months..) could make it very difficult for government to go back to 'business as usual'.
If you're looking beyond that still, and comparing to what came a few decades after (ie rationalisation aka beeching cuts), I'd say that we are in a completely different set of circumstances where the importance of rail in combating climate change is well recognised by most if not all governments. I think the railway is relatively safe from that for now and the foreseeable future.
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